🔥 Ronnie Shields LIVE! | Foster vs Ford | Bivol Dominates | Serrano TKO 🥊

🚨 LIVE MONDAY | JUNE 1, 2026 | 9:00 AM ET 🚨

Join Brian Custer, Colin Custer, and Alex “Doomsday” Lainez for another loaded edition of The Last Stand as we break down a huge weekend of boxing action! 🥊🔥

✅ O’Shaquie Foster earns a hard-fought victory over Raymond “Savage” Ford. We’ll discuss what the win means for Foster and where both fighters go from here.

✅ Renowned trainer Ronnie Shields joins us LIVE to discuss the latest boxing headlines and answer YOUR questions! 🎤

✅ Dmitry Bivol delivers another dominant performance against Michael Eifert and continues his reign among boxing’s elite. 🏆

✅ Amanda Serrano scores a second-round stoppage of Cheyenne Hanson and sends another message to the women’s boxing world. 🇵🇷💪

✅ Stephanie Han defeats Holly Holm by majority decision in a fight that has plenty of fans talking. 👀

✅ Exclusive preview of our upcoming interview with undefeated rising star Xander Zayas as he prepares for the biggest fight of his career. 🌟

💬  We’ll be taking your questions and comments throughout the show!

🚨 Plus, a major breaking boxing update you won’t want to miss live! 👀🔥

📅 Monday, June 1, 2026
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Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:00

You're watching the last stand with Brian Custer. Yes, it is the last stand, and we are live. As we say, we're gonna do this at least once a month as we bring you biggest names in the sport and talk about some of the biggest fights that have gone down. And this weekend was a great weekend of boxing. I'm Brian Custer, and listen, this weekend we had Dimitri Bivol. He was back. 15 months he had been out. Remember, he had back surgery, but he came back, uh, fought as mandatory Michael Eifert and looked great. Now, it looked more like a sparring session, dropped him in the first 15 seconds of the fight, uh, went on, got a unanimous decision, won basically every round of that fight. So that was really uh good to see Dmitry Bivol back. We'll talk about that. How about the ladies? Uh Amanda Serrano back in the ring, uh, got a two-round stoppage over Cheyenne Hansen. Remember in the in uh their, I want to say it had to be the final weigh-in where they had the final face off, and Hansen blew the bubbles in Amanda Serrano's face. And Amanda Serrano said, Let me tell you something, don't you disrespect me like that? You're gonna pay for that. And she made her pay, stopped her in the second round. Uh, also says that maybe 2026 may be her last year of fighting. That at the end of the year, this may be a wrap for Amanda Serrano. So, who should she fight next? I know Alicia Bumgardner is like, yo, it should be me. Let's get it on. Uh, Stephanie Hahn, uh, she was also the main event on that fight. Um, she gets the majority decision over Holly Holm. Really good fight, back and forth. Um, I thought Holly Holm dominated the second half of that fight, also took some rounds in the early part of it, too. I was surprised that Hahn got the win, the majority decision. Now, it was in El Paso. Great job for MVP. It was a sell-out crowd. It just goes to show you that women's boxing is still thriving and hot. Um, but I thought Holly Home at 44 looked great and should have gotten the win and should have been the new uh world champion there. So we'll talk a little bit about that. And then, of course, the fight of the weekend. O'Shaucky Foster defended his WBC title against Savage Four, Raymond Ford. I mean, they had a vicious back and forth uh in the buildup to this fight. You saw the pushing that happened at the weigh-in, and Oshaki Foster said he was going to show that there was gonna be levels to this thing, and he did exactly that. I mean, he I remember at one point they were talking about, you know, if he gets reckless, I'll stop him. Oshaki Foster looked better as the fight went on, and you can see how slick he was. Uh, I thought one of the things that that really cracked me up, he said, because you remember Ray Raymond Ford was trained by Shakur Stevenson's cousin. Uh Shakur, you know, got some sparring in with Raymond Ford uh to try to get him ready for Oshaki Foster. And Oshaki called him the dollar store version of Shakur Stevenson. Uh and then obviously after the victory, uh, called out Shakur Stevenson. Shakur actually got into the ring, they had a you know back and forth. That would be one heck of a fight if they do it. If Shakur moves up, or I shouldn't say Shakur, if Oshaki moves up, because he's you know he's the champion at 130 pounds, moves up and challenges Shakur, that would be great. Or how about a unification fight with Emmanuel Navarete? I think that would be fantastic for Oshaki Foster as well. But obviously, he's got the long heated rivalry with Shakur. He's now taken out uh one of Shakur's little homies and Ford, you know. Oshaki and and Shakur sparred like what is it, four or five years ago or whatever. So they've got some history uh there. Um, also, we got special guest. Ronnie Shields is going to join us in about 30 minutes. Uh, we're gonna talk to Ronnie about what he's been up to. Listen, he's training Jamal Charlo. Jamal Charlo's coming back. Uh, he's training Errol Spitz for the Tim Zoo fight. So we'll talk to Ronnie Shields about that, one of the best trainers in the sport and just a really knowledgeable guy in the sport of boxing hell. He's he trained some of the greatest from Evander Holyfield and so on. And by the way, on the last stand, you know, obviously we drop new episodes every Monday. Uh, we've got this live show today. Next Monday, you're gonna see our interview with Xander Zayas. Yes, the unified champion at 154 pounds. He's got that big fight with Boots in us, uh, June 27th at the end of the month at Barclay Center. Xander Zayas. That episode will drop uh next Monday. We'll play a little clip of that so you can get a little preview of that. All right, so and we also got to take your questions. I know a lot of you got some questions about stuff that's going on. Uh, we'll answer those questions as well. So go ahead, pop those questions to us. Get on, uh, get on the laptop, get on your phone, uh, make sure you subscribe to the channel and uh you know, send us your questions. We'll answer those questions as well. Even if you have questions for Ronnie, uh send those in and we'll have Ronnie uh answer those questions. He'll join us in 30 minutes. But let me bring in my peeps when you talk about the last day, and these guys are the backbone of the show. Uh Alex Linez, Colin Custer, come on up in here. Uh, let's talk, man, because we got about three hours, man. We got a lot, a lot to get into. Uh, I just rolled off all of the fights. First of all, what's up, my brothers? Champ.

SPEAKER_05 5:41

What up?

SPEAKER_06 5:41

How y'all doing? What's up? What's up? What's up? How's the weekend? How was the weekend?

SPEAKER_18 5:45

We can look great. Weekend was great. Busy and crazy with uh things going on online, but um, I'm gonna deter from talking about any of that.

SPEAKER_04 5:57

There's some crazy stuff going online. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_06 6:06

I woke up like 50 and diddy. What is that?

SPEAKER_18 6:09

Oh lord, I was like, man, there was other good stuff to talk about boxing, and I'm getting bombarded with all this 50 cent and diddy stuff, man.

SPEAKER_04 6:17

It was not route now. No diddy. No diddy, man.

SPEAKER_18 6:22

We're gonna keep it boxing for now, man. Subscribers probably got hit with the same heat.

SPEAKER_04 6:27

Pause, pause, pause, pause, pause.

SPEAKER_03 6:32

Yo, that's that's A. That's Pause, Colin. Pause. We're gonna have to do it. No Diddy at all. No Diddy.

SPEAKER_06 6:41

Speaking of like, yo, how about Adrian Broner becoming now like this live stream king? Oh my gosh. I mean, the crossovers, the crossovers.

SPEAKER_03 6:56

In the fighting community, everyone knows Broner as a comedian. Yeah, but I feel like as the younger generation, season, they're gonna think, oh, look at this guy, he's just a drunk, or they don't know the real A B, but like, damn. Yeah, but ain't it crazy, guys? How that the crossover video of him drinking in the car. Let me see if I can pull that up. You seen him throw throwing up at the window.

SPEAKER_06 7:17

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_03 7:18

Where is it?

SPEAKER_06 7:19

It's sad, it's it's sad, man, because oh, this one. You you forget the guy was four division champ, man, at like by 26 or something like that. I mean, he he he was doing some things, and yeah, hey, look.

SPEAKER_18 7:32

Listen, we're happy he's up because he's making some blood, but but we would like him to drink a little less.

SPEAKER_09 7:41

Oh shit. Throwing up on himself.

SPEAKER_18 7:46

It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Oh my god. Streaming is crazy, right? Because yeah, every fighter is crossed over to streaming. Shakur, uh, Keyshawn Johnson. I mean Johnson, Keyshawn Davis. Yes, I went football.

SPEAKER_06 7:59

Ryan, Ryan was doing it a long time ago.

SPEAKER_18 8:01

Yeah, Ryan was one of the first, actually.

SPEAKER_06 8:03

Yeah, you're he was doing it a long time ago. Ryan was, he was, I mean, he he had gotten on that train a long time ago. It's one of the reasons why that that crossover, that global crossover for him is so big because of you live streaming, live streaming for him. Matter of fact, I think hey, Alex, I think we need to live stream with you, bro. We need to live stream. I'm gonna start live streaming, champ.

SPEAKER_18 8:25

Shit, man. I'm gonna start, I'm gonna start getting crazy out here. Get these numbers up, man. It's a must, man. Colin, we're gonna have you streaming, champ. You you part of that that younger wave, too, man.

SPEAKER_04 8:40

I know.

SPEAKER_06 8:41

That's that's one of the things where I'll be like this, Alex. Oh man. But what's the top?

SPEAKER_18 8:50

What's the what's on the lineup first, uh, BC?

SPEAKER_06 8:52

So you you give you give me your biggest takeaway. Give me your biggest takeaway from this weekend. Start with you, Alex, from what we saw.

SPEAKER_18 9:00

Um, biggest takeaway, I'm gonna have to say the Ford Savage and Oshaki Foster, man. Um, that was the fight that I was really looking forward to. And no, no, nothing against the other fights that we're gonna be talking about, but that was the major fight this weekend, you know. Yeah. It's a hell of a lead up to that. The pushing, the shoving, the talking, uh, the one-man army Oshaki taking on the whole, you know, damn, they was taking on my jersey boys. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's it. I gotta give credit when credit is due. And Oshaki was just a better guy that night. And um, I was impressed with Oshaki, man. Um, I you know, he kept talking about his conditioning and how he was injury free and that uh he was he was you know he was feeling amazing, and it's never happened like that for him in a long time in a camp where he doesn't have injuries.

unknown 9:45

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_18 9:46

And his last face-off, man, I don't know if you guys caught that, bro. It's like it's like Oshaki was going super sane, bro. He went up to to to to uh Savage's face and he was he was sweating, bro. He was sweating like like he was so turned up and he was just in such good shape, man, that he was sweating. Meanwhile, my man Ford was looking a little dry. I think that weight cut might have been uh a little tough for him. I mean, I can't speak for him, but the the mood was different between him and and and um and Oshak. And it showed in the 11th and 12th.

SPEAKER_06 10:18

Yeah, oh my god, man. He you want to talk about stepping on the gas pedal? He bloodied he bloodied Ford up in that 11th round. He you talk about closing the show, he he definitely did that, and even you know, you made you raise a great point, Alex, because in in that final face-off, you notice how like Ford was all like and Oshaki was just smiling, like bro, he was like, I'm gonna show you what's what's what's gonna happen, and and he did it. He and and and you know, as I'm watching this fight at the beginning, it was like back and forth, back and forth. They were all like, you know, bah ah ah you got uh you did ah, you did that, and then all of a sudden, Oshaki got even slicker and he couldn't get him, and you could you could tell the frustration on Raymond Ford. And I I I was impressed, man. I I feel like from a national, I know not us, because we know the sport, we live it, and we love it so much. At what point are people gonna give Oshaki Foster his prop? This dude is a bad man, he can fight, and I know they look at the early stuff and they say, oh, them them losses he took early on. Yo, man, that was, you know, look, we all have to grow. And that dude is slick, he can fight. He may not be the biggest puncher, but I tell you what, his work, his work rate is high, and like you, like he always says, if you get reckless in there, oh, he can stop you. Yeah, he can stop you.

SPEAKER_18 11:50

Man, this sent my boy Colin to the shadow realm. My back, I don't know what happened, but I had to I had to switch everything up real quick, man. I'm actually gonna bring you back real quick, live in the wreck right now, man. I'm gonna have to uh uh uh what what did you think, Colin?

SPEAKER_03 12:07

What'd you think about the fight? What'd you think? I honestly you brought up the what my biggest highlight from the weekend was. I was more intrigued to see how Bebo looked after the long layoff. Because what was it, 15 months? Yep, 15 months. 15 months, and he's coming off a surgery, back surgery, yeah. So he eated discs. Yeah, so I was more intrigued to see how he looked, and if he looked like pound for pound, as we know Bebo is. And honestly, he looked pretty good. Um, I wasn't familiar with the guy he was fighting. Yeah, I wasn't very familiar with a sermon guy, man. Yeah, I wasn't very familiar with him at all. But obviously, you could tell in the fight that he wasn't on even close to Bebo's level. But Bebo looked really good. You know, he was he was out he was out there looking for the the KO, but Ifer was there just to survive. He was just showing up the whole time. But Bebo looked good, he looked quick. I didn't see I didn't see any drop-off in terms of his performance than what we are used to seeing from B Bull. I mean, he dropped him in like what the first 30 seconds of the fight.

SPEAKER_06 13:04

First 15 seconds of the fight.

SPEAKER_03 13:06

Yeah, so um bow looked really good, and I I feel like there's no better time than when uh for this uh Benavidez fight right now.

SPEAKER_06 13:13

Now I'm happy you you mentioned that because now the one thing I was disappointed in was after that fight when they when they were doing the interviews because I for was one of his mandatories, where Big Ole said, he said, Well, I still have my other mandatories, I got to get out the way. Yeah, come on, man.

SPEAKER_03 13:31

Nah, we we know we know we know what the people want. He knows what the people want.

SPEAKER_06 13:37

You know, you you know this. If you want to make that fight with Benavidez, all you got to do is is go to the IBF or another those other sanctioning bills and say, Hey, I need a special uh recommendation because I got this fight with Benavides, who's who is a champ, who is a champ there at 175, and I want this unification fight, and now we're gonna we're gonna fight and we're gonna have a uh undisputed champion at 175 pounds. He don't want he don't want Benavides, he don't he don't want that word, and I'll be honest with you, I wouldn't want Benavides because Benavides is gonna beat him. Here's what I was gonna say Bevo's a great fighter, he ain't he Benavides is still getting that ass. That's my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 14:18

I feel like Benavides' activity would be the reason why he wins that fight. I feel like his constant pressure, because bivo bivo likes to come forward, but Benavidez can come forward the whole fight. Oh, absolutely, he's gonna come forward the entire fight, and I feel like Bebo is not ready for that.

SPEAKER_18 14:33

I mean, if you take respectfully, respectfully, nah, I get you know, and if you look, Dmitry Bible, he he was getting his rounds in, man. You know, that that surgery, you know, uh, you gotta see how you react to to and that wasn't a tough fight. No, you know what I mean. He that's nowhere near Benavidez onslaught level, you know what I mean? It's like, you know, he's maybe he's just trying, you know, you gotta do the right thing. This is check, this is chess, not checkers, right? So I I I could understand that Demetriu maybe wants to hit another couple mandatories and kind of work his way up to that tough, tough fight. Um, because again, you know, even though he knocked Eifert down, I mean, it was just something, it was a check hook that you know, yeah, just got caught got caught with. But he didn't at no point did I really see him going for like a finish finish, you know, a hard, strong finish.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

Yeah, to be fair, Iford was shelling up towards the middle of the fight, like it was it was just survival mode at that point. But I I I I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_18 15:32

But do you think like the old Dimitri before the uh surgery would have finished him? Like even if he was shelling up, gone to the body, opened him up, you know. But I I think he was trying to get some rounds, yo.

SPEAKER_03 15:44

He he fought well though. He fought well. He he he was mixing it up, like he he fought really well, in my opinion. But I don't think he fought. Yeah, I don't think he fought uh at a good enough level that I would say, oh yeah, he's beating. Yeah, I don't think he's he's gonna beat Benavidez respectfully. The way Benavidez looked last fight, I don't think anyone's beating him right now.

SPEAKER_06 16:01

Yeah, you know, I I was one of the things I I was having a conversation uh with uh one of David's people, and you know, I was like, yo, what's the deal? Uh we're gonna get bivol and Benavides, and he was like, Yeah, I'm just like you. I heard what bivol said that this he don't want to fight us, and they're gonna do what I know what they're gonna try to say. We uh maybe sometime at the end of 27, we'll we'll because we want to get our couple of mandatories out the way first, and and David's not gonna wait for anybody. And and so it looks like from a Benavides standpoint that I think the IBF belt is vacant there at cruiserweight, and that's what Benavides wants next. He wants that IBF belt, so he's gonna try to fight for that. And after that, his people said he's he who move up the heavyweight. He wants he wants that, he wants that IBF belt. Wants to be, you know, if he can't be undisputed there at cruiserweight, and then step on up the heavyweight. And oh my god. I don't I don't I don't I don't know about that one. Could you see that?

SPEAKER_03 17:06

Can you imagine?

SPEAKER_18 17:07

You know, that's what people were talking about.

SPEAKER_06 17:13

Yes, it's a good time to get him. There's a lot of tread on them tires, man. I'm telling you, it's wearing the tread is wearing on them.

SPEAKER_18 17:24

My man Robert Jones has some he had some sense in what he was talking about, man.

SPEAKER_06 17:28

Yeah, you're right. Roy Jones did say that, didn't he? Why not get him now? He he he get and and look, Rico fought him.

SPEAKER_03 17:35

Well, Rico was winning that fight. Rico wasn't winning that fight, you know. Had he that was one of the worst stoppages of all time, I ain't gonna lie. At the end of the bell, the bell was already rung.

SPEAKER_18 17:45

Are we serious? That Jim Carrey boxing style really carried him through, man. I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_03 17:54

It's a really funny Jim Carrey.

SPEAKER_18 17:55

Yeah, the Jim Carrey style boxing, it carried him, it carried him, man. That's a good luck.

SPEAKER_03 18:01

But moving up to heavyweight though, come on. I don't I don't know. I don't know if that's realistic.

SPEAKER_18 18:06

It's the thing is is that I don't think it's like if you were telling me, Kyle, if you was telling me, if you were talking to me about any other fighter who hasn't showed me that type of aggression, that type of finish, I would have probably been like, Yeah, Colin, you're right. But like now I'm starting to believe it. Now I'm like, man, like he really beat the living dog uh out of this guy, you know, and going up another weight class.

SPEAKER_05 18:25

I mean it's not going up another weight class, Colin Colin is too young. Roy Jones Jr. Roy Jones Jr. did it, Roy Jones Jr. did it, huh?

SPEAKER_06 18:40

He fought there that they fought Tony there at heavyweight. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_03 18:45

Come on, and Benavides is young. Imagine Benavidas Moses Atama. Oh Moses Atama might be hot by the time Benavitas gets up there. So but we're talking about let's get a payday.

SPEAKER_18 18:58

Yes, let's get it alleged.

SPEAKER_06 19:00

That's a that's a big fight. That's a huge but but a toma it's not a money fight. You want it, you want a money fight.

SPEAKER_03 19:08

Usick's a money fight. You're saying he wants the belts, though. If he's gonna fight us, I mean I feel like it's more about the belts than the money.

SPEAKER_06 19:16

It's about it's about legacy and the money. Because you you could say this why would I fight a Tama, who's a young, strong, whatever, as opposed to Usyk, who is considered at what pound for pound, best fighter in the world, was the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. Give me that guy, and and you and you know this uh whether it's Saudi or whoever, they're gonna throw you about 55, 60 million to go do it.

SPEAKER_03 19:48

He already fought there, he already fought there once.

SPEAKER_06 19:49

So hey, hey, Alex, you was you was with me when we did the interview with Benavides. He said, Why'd he do it? He said, Hey, Saudi was throwing that bag at me. I was like, you know what? I'm gonna go do it. Yeah, for 30, 40 million, okay. Why not? Did he know he can he gonna get at least 20, 25 more to fight Usick?

SPEAKER_18 20:07

Absolutely, and not for nothing, man. Bibble, bibbles they got a good strategy. If they see if they're seeing that David Benavides is hungry to get this IBF vacant, right? At the cruiser, they're gonna want him to stay at that cruiser weight longer so that when he needs to cut back down, it's gonna be harder for him. Yeah, you know, they want they they they're playing the chess, man. I still wanted to see Bible versus David Benavides. Don't get me wrong, I need that. I need that. And and and and and and how about better bev, right? We still wanted to see that the monster versus the monster. Yes, so you know, Benavides, as long as his body holds out and and he's able to come back down. Because look, fellas, we're talking about if he let's just say cruiser, where he's at now, he's gotta come down 25 pounds. 25 pounds is 25 pounds, and then they're walking around like at two, probably 215, 220, like God knows what what Benavides is walking around that. He weighed in like at 198, right? Or maybe a little close to 200 when he fought um um what's my man's name? Uh Surdo. And and and and if you if you wait longer and you're at that weight a lot longer, it gets tougher dropping that back down. So it's gonna be all on discipline really to carry him throughout these weight divisions because bro, it's it's tough on the body.

SPEAKER_03 21:23

Back to Bebo. If Bivo were to say, you know what, I don't want the Benavidez fight and I want to fight better be after the trilogy, what's your opinion on that? Would you accept that as you know what? Yeah, or would you say, ah, he's ducking Benavidez?

SPEAKER_06 21:36

Yeah, I mean I I know for a fact that he don't want that that Benavidez smoke right now, especially as Alex pointed out, especially coming off of the back surgery. Like, yeah, yeah, let me get I got some rounds in, but I don't know. I ain't ready for this. I don't know. I don't know if I'm ready for this.

SPEAKER_18 21:50

Hey fellas, it looks like the the man himself, the champ, legendary trainer.

SPEAKER_17 21:57

Come on.

SPEAKER_18 22:00

Come on. Ronnie Shields is coming on the show. Let's flip the Twitch. Let's flip the Switch.

SPEAKER_06 22:05

Man, yo, I'm telling you, the last stand be bringing them, bro. They be coming out.

SPEAKER_04 22:11

Yo! Ronnie Shields.

SPEAKER_06 22:16

Look at Ronnie. Can you hear us, Ronnie Shields?

SPEAKER_18 22:20

Talk for us, bro. Look at Ronnie Shields. Yeah, he's on right now. We might have to just do some mic checks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh no, I can't hear him. Go out and then come back in. Yeah. Go out and come back and come back. Go out and come back. There we go.

SPEAKER_06 22:35

We're doing signing language up on this game. Hey, the internet is tough.

SPEAKER_03 22:45

The internet is tough sometimes.

SPEAKER_06 22:47

Hey, hey, you know what? One thing I've noticed, I'm gonna ask Ronnie Shields about this. Yo, Houston is popping now. You notice how like so many cats now are like living and training in Houston now?

SPEAKER_03 22:59

In Houston, bro.

SPEAKER_06 23:00

In Houston.

SPEAKER_03 23:00

I mean, that fight last weekend or this or last weekend, yeah. It was in Houston.

SPEAKER_06 23:05

Oh, shockey's there, Savage is now there. Uh obviously the Charlos have always wrecked Houston. Uh they're now there, Regis Progray, Shakur. I mean, everybody.

SPEAKER_18 23:16

Can you hear us now, Ronnie? Okay. Yeah, he let me check his mic. Let's let me check his mic from here. Maybe it's something uh something is set up.

SPEAKER_06 23:27

Can you hear us though, Ronnie? I think I can hear him. In the him breathing, Ronnie, talk. Talk for us, Ronnie.

SPEAKER_11 23:37

Uh still can't hear anything.

SPEAKER_18 23:38

Oh, yeah, no, we can hear you. Oh, we can hear we can hear him. We can hear him. We can hear him. I wonder what his microphone is. Do you hear me now? Oh now he can hear us. Oh, he can hear him. We can hear him. I can't hear it. We can't hear you. You gotta take the headphones. Unplug the headphones from your from your unplug the headphones. Unplug the headphones. Oh, you did? Now we can't hear you though. But we we look on your mic. Look on your microphone. Oh, I got you. I got you.

SPEAKER_07 24:07

Hold on.

SPEAKER_18 24:07

Hold on. Can you can you talk now, Ronnie? How about now?

SPEAKER_04 24:11

Can you we can listen to all up in this shit? Hey, the great Ronnie Shields. Colin laughed out.

SPEAKER_06 24:25

We got the great Ronnie Shields with us. Hey, Ronnie, we were just talking about this, man. Now I can't hear you now.

SPEAKER_17 24:31

Oh yeah, Colin dipped off.

SPEAKER_11 24:33

Okay, I can't hear him.

SPEAKER_17 24:36

Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_11 24:37

I can't hear you, Grind. I really can't hear me.

SPEAKER_17 24:39

All right, this is what we're gonna do. Let me see. Come on.

SPEAKER_11 24:43

Yeah, it's really muffled. It's really should I turn my Wi-Fi off? Uh are you on your phone? I can't hear anyone up now.

SPEAKER_06 24:55

You can't hear nobody.

SPEAKER_11 24:56

Yeah, Connor. I don't know.

SPEAKER_18 24:57

I don't know how coming to you.

SPEAKER_06 24:58

Oh, you can hear me now.

SPEAKER_18 24:59

It's muffled really bad. It's muffled really bad. It must be the uh the sound coming out of it. Are you on a laptop, Ronnie? Are you on a laptop by any chance? You on a laptop or on a phone?

SPEAKER_11 25:11

On my laptop.

SPEAKER_18 25:12

Okay, you're on your laptop. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_11 25:16

Oh, okay. You sound good. Let me let me get my get the laptop.

SPEAKER_18 25:22

Yeah, or if not, you could put a head uh a plug in a headset, maybe or a Bluetooth headset.

SPEAKER_06 25:27

You you sound good though, Ronnie.

SPEAKER_18 25:28

Sound good, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_06 25:30

You can hear me good? Yeah, I do. We can hear you good. Hey, hey, let me ask you real one quick question. What is going on in Houston? It seems like Houston is on fire right now. I mean, you you and the Charlos have always repped Houston, but now we're just like Shakur Trains lives there, Oshaki's there, Savage is there, Progray's there. It's like everybody coming to Houston now. What's the deal? What's going on in Houston in boxing?

SPEAKER_11 25:54

Hey man, they're trying to get some of this water, man.

SPEAKER_06 26:03

So so give us give us give us the update on Ronnie Shield. I saw Jramal Charlo back in the lab. He's been posting on there. Uh, I know my man Errol Spence there. You you and Errol Spence. That's a man. Give us the update with Errol Spence and Jamal Charlot.

SPEAKER_11 26:21

Well, the thing with with let me start with Errol first. You know, Errol's been coming for the last like three weeks now. So we, you know, we decided, you know, he decided that he called me up and asked me what I'd be interested in helping him out for his next fight. So I told him, yeah, that'd be great for him to come down and then we'll just, you know, we'll just work, you know. And he said, okay. So when he came down, the first day came down, I said, now look, I'm gonna test you this first day. I know you say you've been working out a little bit, but you know, I'm I'm not gonna take it easy on you. I'm gonna I want to see what you got. And man, I worked him six rounds like really, really hard. And you know, and he was there. He said, that's it. I said, okay, I like that. You know, so then I told him, I said, look, man, I'm gonna throw a lot of stuff at you because I just want to see what works and what doesn't work. So if if I see something that I don't feel, you know, is gonna help you in the fight, I'm gonna take it and throw it out. But everything that I think is gonna work, then we're gonna keep it in and we're gonna work on this every day. So for the last couple weeks, though, you know, I've really been throwing a lot of different things at him, you know, and I've been, you know, just want to see what works and what doesn't work. And, you know, everything is going good right now. So this week is gonna be our first week sparring. So now I'll be to tell, you know, what I think works and what doesn't work.

SPEAKER_17 27:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_11 27:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 27:58

What about what about Jamal?

SPEAKER_11 28:00

Well, Jamal is in the gym also. He's been he's he's been coming every day lately. So, you know, um uh Louis DeCoubis called me up and and uh asked me that I think that'd be good to put him on the same card. I say, yeah, absolutely. I said that'd be great, you know, because you know I think I can get him, not I don't I I can't train them at the same time. I would definitely have to train them separately. But you know, I say that'd be great. So they they're they're looking for opponents right now. They actually sent me one opponent right now that I really like, okay. But you know, but you know, until they make it, you know, they haven't made the fight yet. So I'm just waiting to hear what's gonna happen with that fight.

SPEAKER_06 28:48

Is that opponent? Is that one of is it an Australian guy? That I would assume.

SPEAKER_11 28:53

It's an Australian guy, yes.

SPEAKER_06 28:55

Okay, absolutely. Okay, okay. And and uh let me ask you that and and for Jamal, is it 168? Is that where he 168? Yes, absolutely. And Errol, Errol and Tim Zoo, is it at 154 or is it at a catch weight? Is that a catchway? 158. At 158, yes. And my question then, when you saw EJ, what was it that you saw that you said I think I need to add this to his game for him to be where I want him, for him to be where I want him to be?

SPEAKER_11 29:34

Yes, well, it was a few things that I saw that you know that I I thought would help him, you know, mainly head movement. Okay, you know, mainly that was one of the main things I saw that he wasn't doing, you know, and like I say, but you know, he's been out three years. So, you know, I didn't I didn't expect for him to come and you know just be the old era right away. You know, so but you know, when you get in an accident, you know, sometimes you know your your body stiffens up and you know things things things change, you know. So now I'm just trying to get him back to be a loose and just be fluent with his punches, you know, and and that's what we're working on right now, man. Just for him to be fluent with his punches and moving his head and you know, just doing things that you know he should have he should be doing, especially for a guy, you know, like Tim Zoo.

SPEAKER_06 30:38

Yeah, yeah, right, exactly. When you let's say let's say when you watched the Terrence Crawford fight, did you see, did you see like what did you see when you watched the Terrence Crawford fight? Was that a guy who said, did you say, man, I think he's been at 147 too long? Or do you think it was and I and I'm I I want to make sure that I asked this in all respect out of Terrence Crawford because that dude, we already saw what he did to Canelo. That dude's on another level. So I don't I don't want to minimize anything what he did, but I thought I I I always said this when I when I when that fight was happening and then being in the middle of that fight in the at the press conference and all that stuff. I said, man, if this fight goes the distance, I'm gonna give it to Arrow because I think he's so big. I think that power and he will be over, he would just bully Terrence Crawford. But if it's a knockout, I said, it's probably this guy because this guy's got that one punch knockout power. That's how I saw it. I didn't expect anything like that because this guy not only stopped him, but he was also the bully in in the ring. So what did you see uh uh from Errol Smith after that fight?

SPEAKER_11 31:55

Well, you know, going into that fight, you know, I was I said, man, this is gonna be a great fight. You know, just going into the fight because both guys showing so much, you know, especially Crawford with him being a you know fight South Paul, then turn Orthodox, you know. Sometimes that could be a little confusing, you know. But when the fight started, and man, it was just it was all Crawford right from the very beginning. Yeah, you know, and and so I said to myself, well, maybe you know, errors just don't happen anymore. You know, maybe this is maybe this is just the end of it. Yeah, you know, it could be the end of his career. Because you know, a career is not promised to you so many years, you know, especially if you don't take care of yourself, you know, take care of your body, you know, you you know, and we all know at that time, you know, when El had the accident and with you know with the partying and all that stuff, that you know, sometimes in one fight it all comes into play. And I really thought that's what happened to him. Yeah, and so now after that fight, when he just decided, okay, I'm giving it up, you know, and he cleaned himself up. And he got himself back together. And for the last three years, he told me himself, he said, man, for the last three years, I said I didn't want to go out that way. You know, so so now that he's like three years sober, he's you know, taking care of his body, and now he wants to push it as far as he can push it. So, you know, so he wants to try it again. You know, now everybody can't come back after three years. So, but it depends on how you do it, you know, and I think he's doing it in a good way for the last couple years. He's been going to the gym, you know, not thinking about fighting, but just going to the gym, just getting himself, you know, just hit the bags, and you know, then all of a sudden one day he decided I want to come back. I want to see what I got. I want to see if I can still do this. And but he told me himself, he said, listen, it's not a full comeback. I'm gonna fight maybe two to three fights, and then I'm done. That's it. But he just don't want to go out the way he went out with Travis Crawford. So I respect that, and I told him I understood, and I told him I'll be there for him as long as he needed me. So, you know, so this is where we are right now.

SPEAKER_06 34:43

That's fantastic. We got the great Ronnie Shields with us here on Last Stand Live. Uh uh I'm happy you said that. Uh Sebastian Fundora, I was talking to a member of his camp, and Ronnie, he said they said they are going to be watching that fight very closely. In fact, they said Fundora, their plans for Fundora is maybe get him uh fight his, I guess it's mandatory, I guess, like September, I guess what it is. And they said, if Errol wins, that is a fight they would love. And they said, even if we got to do it in Texas, we would like that fight because we were supposed to do have it, you know, a couple of years ago. Now that you're with Team Spence, is that a fight you like? Errol Spence in Fundora, if if he's victorious against Tim Zoo.

SPEAKER_11 35:36

Well, you know, here's the thing, right? I think first, you know, I mean, I don't plan, I don't never plan ahead. Okay. You know, that's that's me, though. You know, I take one fight at a time, you know, and you know, if ever comes out and does the things that I know he can do, and you know, here's the thing also, you know, I've been with several fighters that have quit and come back, you know, mainly Evander Holyfield. And Evander just wasn't the same guy when he decided to make a come, uh, you know, like a slight comeback. He wasn't, he just, he just wasn't there anymore. You know, yes, in the gym, he looked great, you know, but then he got in a fight and you know, I didn't know who who that was. You know, so you know, that's just why I don't put the card before the horse. You know, that's you know, let's see what we do first when we go to Australia. And if everything works out, you know, and he he wins and looks the way he's supposed to look, then I would say, you know, okay, Eric, it's up to you. He may not want the Fundova fight just right away. He may want to take another fight first before that, and then say, you know what, I'm gonna do one more fight, my last fight, I'm gonna go out as champion of the world. Then I think the Fundora fight would be the best choice for you.

SPEAKER_06 37:09

Uh great Ronnie Shields here with us. How about Jamal? We've seen we've seen the clips of Maul. Uh, you know, listen, it for a time there it was like, man, I was concerned about Maul because it was like, I want to know that he's all there mentally, you know, like you say, the the drinking part, you want to make sure all that's past him. Where is he in his life? And will we get to see, finally get to see that that that Jamal Charlo with we're accustomed to seeing?

SPEAKER_11 37:36

Well, you know, he was supposed to come to the gym on Saturday, right? And it didn't show up. And it kind of got me a little concerned.

SPEAKER_09 37:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 37:44

Then all of a sudden, he FaceTimed me. He was with Andre Ward, you know, at the fights here with the Oshaki fight.

SPEAKER_04 37:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_11 37:53

You know, and he said, Hey man, I forgot to tell you that, you know, I was I was gonna do some things with Andre with the with the with the fight. And he said, That's why I didn't show up. So I told him, I said, All right, you know, you know, I was looking, I was waiting on you. Yeah, you didn't show up. So he said, Yeah, but I forgot to tell you that, you know, I was gonna be doing this this thing with them. And he said, But I promise I'll be there Monday. Okay. So, but you know, he hadn't missed a date otherwise after that. Okay, good. So I was getting a little concerned because it was Saturday, you know.

SPEAKER_08 38:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 38:28

And I was saying, where is he? I know he was going to the fight, but I didn't know he was doing something earlier that day with him, and he forgot to tell me. So, but you know, here's the thing everything has been going great. Okay, you know, he's been working hard, like he's supposed to. He's been doing his running, he's been doing his conditioning, and you know, and I really feel good where he's at mentally right now.

SPEAKER_06 38:54

Good, good, good, good. You you know, and and Alex can attest to this because Alex helps me produce the show. You know, we had Mel on, and we were talking about Mel because he's obviously trying to come back as well, and and he was talking about the relationship and that their relationship isn't one now anymore. Um, and you've you've been with these guys since they were young. How how when they're twins? How how how could how could guys be this close and then now yet be this far apart from each other? Is there any way to explain the dynamic of that relationship?

SPEAKER_11 39:34

I definitely can't explain that. You know, you know, it's it's so funny because they they were so close. Yes. Growing up, you know, growing up together, they were so close. And I remember when, you know, in the hammers, they came to me. Both of them came to me and said, hey, we want we want to turn pro and we want you to train us. You know, I'm like, dude, you're you're 15 years old. I can't train you right now. And I told them, I said, when you when you get a little older, then you come back. And so they did, you know, where it was it was your mail who came first. You know, he called me, he called me first. I think it was like 18. I want to turn pro. I said, okay, you at the age now where 17, 18. Uh, you know, and I said, you know, you're at that age now where you can start thinking about it. So he said, no, no, I don't want to think about it, I want to turn pro. So we actually turned Jamel pro first. And, you know, and I I got with Shelley Finkel, and Shelly Finko was helping me with mail. Maul wanted to try to go to the Olympics. So he fought, he did fight Olympic trials and he lost. So then he came to me, and at that by the time he came to me, I had already got mail with uh PVC. So once I got him with PVC, then Jamal thought I could just come in and they could just get me. And it wasn't it was it was hard for me to get Maud with PVC. You know, they they had at first Al was like, uh, Mani, you know, sometimes it don't work with others. You know, you know, especially twins, man. They're twins. You know, he said, how's this gonna work? If one lose, how's that gonna affect the other? It's gonna be alright. You know, I say, is everything is gonna be good? Please, I say, just give him that opportunity. And man, it took like, he gave Maul like six fights on the undercut and a lot of fights that was here in Houston. And finally he said, Okay, we're gonna give him a shot. And we're gonna let him fight for some NABM title, so whatever. And Maul knocked the guy out, and he said, Okay, I think it's gonna work with these two guys. So, you know, so that's the way that happened. Wow, how about that?

SPEAKER_18 41:53

How about that? Did he go dark on us? Yeah, the camera, the camera went out.

SPEAKER_03 41:58

Your your camera went out.

SPEAKER_18 42:01

Yeah, it's the camera.

SPEAKER_03 42:03

Is it the I think it's on is his end of his camera, like to see you.

SPEAKER_06 42:07

Yeah, we we can't see you, Ronnie Shield.

SPEAKER_03 42:09

Your camera no, we can't see you.

SPEAKER_18 42:11

We can see it's the data. Um, he's on the iPad, it's he's on his iPad, so I think it's the data, it's the data.

SPEAKER_06 42:20

I can hear him well. We can hear you super good. Yeah, we can hear you well. It's just you can't, we can't see you right now, Ronnie Shield. Oh wow. Uh you can you got a question for him, Alex?

SPEAKER_18 42:29

Yeah, absolutely, man. Uh, first of all, thank you for coming on the show, Ronnie. Man, you're legendary, and uh oh, you can't hear Alex?

SPEAKER_06 42:39

All right, well, but you can hear me though, right? Right, Ronnie?

SPEAKER_11 42:42

I can hear you fine, yes. Okay, you can hear me.

SPEAKER_17 42:44

Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_06 42:46

Colin, Colin, you ask talk to Ronnie real quick. Ronnie, you can hear me? Yes, I can hear you fine.

SPEAKER_03 42:52

Okay, okay. How are you doing, Ronnie? I'm doing great, man. Yes, sir. You touched on it a little bit, but I want to ask, in your opinion, what does a successful three-year comeback for Arrow look like? Because it's been a while. Fans are eager, but I feel like there's some unrealistic, unrealistic expectations on what a three-year comeback really means. What is what is that what do what does a successful three-year comeback look like for Aerospense?

SPEAKER_11 43:17

Well, I think the number one thing is the basics. You know, we have to get back to the basics, you know, the jab, you know, just the simple things to get his body getting back used to what it used to be. But once you get past the basics, then we can start adding things that you know, he used to do, but add new things that he hasn't even touched on yet. And as great of a fighter as he ever is or was, you know, it's still some things that you know I make him do that he should have been doing, and he never was doing. So, you know, so we, you know, we definitely have to, you know, have to touch up on a lot of things. But the most important thing is just the basic boxing stuff to get his body back to doing things that he used to do.

SPEAKER_06 44:18

It's really interesting. That's really interesting. I like that. Hey, it will uh I think when you uh go into Maul now, I think a lot of folks want to see Jamal and Caleb Plant. Do you think we will see that fight anytime soon?

SPEAKER_11 44:34

Caleb Plant don't want to fight, man. You know, here's the thing, right? So when they first were talking about that fight, Jamal and Caleb Lant, they said, okay, okay, they called me and asked me that I think that would be the right fight for Maul. I said, yes, absolutely. I said, they got history together, so let's do it. So they said, okay. So they called Caleb Lynn, called me back. He said he didn't have a trainer. He, you know, he said he loved Red Man and he was looking for another trainer. Okay, no problem. I said, well, get back to me and let me know. So weeks go by. I called, I called the Coopers myself. Okay. Hey, what's up with the Caleb Plant fight? Uh he still said he doesn't have a trainer. So it's been like this for like the last six months. Wow. He doesn't have a trainer. So I don't know if he has a trainer or not. So I say, hey, you know, so when they call me about possibly doing the fight in Australia, I say, could it be Caleb Plant? No, I can't be Caleb Plant. We thought it might be better for having an opponent from there. I say, that's fine with me. No, no problem. So right now, Caleb Plant is off the radar.

SPEAKER_06 45:55

Damn. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah, I thought maybe that would be something that we would see here uh anytime soon uh well recently uh soon. Well, what about Canelo? There was there was that there was some talk at one point, you know, and and listen, we knew Maul was supposed to have the Canelo fight first, and then obviously he had his issues, and then Mel had to step in and take it. Um do you think that we will ever see Jamal and Canelo?

SPEAKER_11 46:23

Man, I wanted that fight so bad. You know, and you know, when when the fight was first offered, you know, at first Maul was excited about it, but then he started having issues at home. You know, and then him and his wife got divorced, and you know, it took a big toll on him. Yeah, so that's why that's why Jamel got the fight because of that. But now, you know, after this fight, I would love for Jamal to get the fight with Canelo. I think that'd be a great fight for Jamal.

SPEAKER_06 46:57

Interesting. Uh we we have uh would you guys did did did he say that we got people on in the chat asking?

SPEAKER_03 47:04

We do got super chats, but I'll ask Alex's Alex's question first. Okay, you can't hear him. Alex asks, so going into this fight with Tim Zoo, what are some of the things that you're working on with Aero to make sure he stays out of these fire fights? And something that uh I know Air's always in these firefights and exchanges. Uh he look he likes to be in the pocket, he knows how to throw bodywork. It's it's the same uh play moving forward because it's kind of hard to know sometimes, takeaway from what a fighter naturally does in the ring. So, what what are you doing to help Arrow stay out of these firefights and these exchanges and not get hurt?

SPEAKER_11 47:39

Well, you know, I'm definitely trying to get him in the box for a little bit more, you know. But look, you know, VPN in this game, damn near my whole life, you know, firefight's gonna happen. You know, you know, you can't back away from it.

SPEAKER_08 47:55

Right.

SPEAKER_11 47:56

You know, this is this is something that, you know, Tim Zoo is this guy that comes straight forward. You know, he's gonna get close. When he gets close, we just, you know, we're not gonna be holding it, wrestling. No, no, we're gonna throw punches at this guy. So a firefight is gonna definitely happen. You know, I'm not gonna take him away from that. You know, you know, I'm just gonna add to that. And it's gonna be a lot of things you're gonna see that's gonna be a little bit different than in arrow, but you know, we're definitely gonna be, you know, we have to trade with them, we have to trade with. You know, like this is gonna be a 12-round firefight. You know, I've already put that in his head from the very beginning. You know, we're not running from this guy. You know, we're, you know, we're gonna showcase a good jab and good culmination, but at the same time, we're not gonna be, you know, moving around the ring. You know, I would wanna I want to meet him in the middle of the ring. That's what we have to fight at. And we have to control the metal. And that's that's the thing that you know that that we're working on controlling the middle of the ring.

SPEAKER_03 49:05

I I love this, even if you want to watch this fight tomorrow.

SPEAKER_06 49:09

Ronnie Shield got me hyped for this fight. I'm like, yeah, let's go. I'm hunting. I'm hunting.

SPEAKER_04 49:14

Let's go, Ronnie Shields.

SPEAKER_06 49:16

Hey, Ronnie, Ronnie, let me get your question. What do you think it was about the greatness of Ronnie Shields and what he does that sold Arrow? Because, you know, Arrow spent some time with Bradman. You know, Bradman was on air. I was like, you know what, I had him for like a week, man. And, you know, at the end he just said, hey, look, you know, it was great. I learned a lot. Uh, I'm just gonna, you know, go on and and and talk to some other people. I know he spent time with Roy Jones Jr. What was it that you think it was that Ronnie Shields did that he said, okay, this this is my guy?

SPEAKER_11 49:49

Well, I think because I think I showed him something different, you know. Um and I I just think I just think that uh, you know, with me being with so many good guys, you know, so many champions that and not just talking to him and telling him what to do, but showing him what to do. You know, and I think, you know, I I told him from the very beginning that I'm not gonna take it easy on you. You know, this is you know, if you're gonna do this, we're gonna do it the right way. And the only way I know how to do it is is to do it the right way. You know, I I told him that I study opponents, and you know, I say, but every fight is different when you really look at it. So I said you have to develop a better job than you've ever had before. That's number one. Number two, different combinations. You know, you can't be doing the same thing all the time. It doesn't work, especially with a guy like a Tim Zoo. You know, we gotta show him things that he's never seen before, you know, or things that have hurt him before. We gotta keep showing him that, you know, stuff like that. You know, I say when you go back in the 24 Fondura, you know, the first fight was, you know, because of the the cut, you know, the cut and the head. But I say, but look at the second fight, you know, and I say, Erl, you nothing like Fondura, especially with the height.

SPEAKER_15 51:28

Right.

SPEAKER_11 51:29

Look at the stuff he did to him when he, you know, when Telm got close to him. You know, I said, look, you on the other hand, have never done that. You know, this is something that we have to work on. You know, you know, you are an elite fighter. You should already be doing this stuff. I shouldn't have to be coming and telling you, okay, you you know, you're not doing this or you're not doing that. You know, this is stuff you should already know.

SPEAKER_06 51:57

You know, wow, good stuff. Hey, we got the great Ronnie Shields with us. I know our super chats are blowing up. Uh, Ronnie, we got all kinds of questions for you. First one uh says, What uh what's next for Andreas Kostaraskis?

SPEAKER_11 52:14

Oh, that's my guy, man. That's my sensation. You know, this kid, man, he's gonna definitely be spawned with Arrow a lot. Let's go because of his style. His style is just straightforward. That's his style.

SPEAKER_06 52:30

Like Zoo.

SPEAKER_11 52:31

Yeah. And he he just he just won. He just he just won. He just signed with Zufa. He just had his first fight with Zoofa. Andreas did, and you know, he looked really impressive in that fight. And, you know, maybe next he's gonna probably fight Shane Mosley Jr. for the Zufa title, maybe.

SPEAKER_06 52:53

Who just got that big win? Shane Mosley Jr.

SPEAKER_11 52:56

Yes, but they fought on the same night. So they fought on the same night. So some my guy opened up the the main portion of the car, you know, with a great win. And like this guy, this kid, man, he's so good. He's he is so great to work with. He, you know, I just love everything about him. And he's definitely going to be one of the guys that I coach for, you know, because he's a pressure guy.

SPEAKER_06 53:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_11 53:26

And you know, and he moves his hands, he's not afraid to do anything.

SPEAKER_06 53:30

Okay, uh man, Trice Toledo, appreciate you. He's got another one for you. He said, Is Brian Norman Jr. versus Keyshawn Davis uh an option?

SPEAKER_11 53:44

Well, everybody's an option, as long as they don't train with me, they're an option. So look, how do you see that fight playing out for Brian Norman? This kid, this kid is something else, man.

SPEAKER_07 53:58

Norman?

SPEAKER_11 53:59

Brian Norman Jr. Absolutely. He is he is he's something else. He he's a great fighter. And man, and just with the one fight that we've had together, you know, his confidence is through the roof right now, you know. And you know, we're going back, we definitely want to go back and get Devin Haney. You know, that's that's an option that we have to, you know. I told him from the very beginning, I want to get that fight back, you know. You know, he just wasn't himself that night, you know. So I say, you know, you've got to get that fight back. So, you know, so top rank is you know, is doing everything they can. But look, if Keyshawn is in the way of getting that, definitely got to get Keyshawn too.

SPEAKER_06 54:45

Wow, I like it. And you know what? Listen, you we forget Brian Norman Newt Jr., another one that's on in the stable of Ronnie Shields. All right, we got another one. This one's from attorney Bailey. Uh he says, in the early 2000s, coach, you allowed me access to your gym while training Holy Field. That was a wonderful experience. Thank you. I never forget it.

SPEAKER_11 55:10

Yeah, man. I mean, you know, we've always let people come in, you know. We've never hid people away, you know. You know, sometimes when we have with Holyfield, you know, we used to have so many people though, that sometimes we had to close the door because it was just too many. Wow. But, you know, if he was one of the ones that got access, then that was great. I'm glad you got that experience.

SPEAKER_06 55:36

That's fantastic. Appreciate you, Attorney Bailey, uh, for reaching out. And and what what about Brian Norman Jr.? What what do you have have there been any talks about fighting again? Because uh and and what opponents?

SPEAKER_11 55:54

Well, we haven't got an opponent yet, okay, as of yet. They haven't sent me anything yet. Okay. So, but definitely they're talking within the next few months. So, but he knows I have to go to Australia, whatever. Right. So definitely is gonna be have to be after that, and enough time for me to work in him after that. So I'm thinking about maybe August sometime and definitely get another fight soon.

SPEAKER_06 56:19

But you know, we had him on the last stand, and man, he just the effusive praise he gave Errol Spence. He was like, man, this guy's like been like an idol to me. We run together, we were in the in the gym, you know, training uh together. He said, but more importantly, he said it was the stuff that Arrol, the knowledge he was pouring into him, right? He said, is what I take away the most. He said, because he's learned so much from his career that is like, oh, okay, all right, I got you, OG. I'm gonna make sure uh I do that and I don't do those things that you say I I shouldn't be doing that you did.

SPEAKER_11 56:58

Right. You know, and that's the thing. I encourage all my guys to talk to each other, you know, because you know, they talk to the ones that's been there and done that, you know. And matter of fact, you know, Evander, you know, Evander was at the gym about a month ago, and Brian got to talk to Evander also, you know, and you know, it was it was it was so good, you know. And I'm telling her, hey man, ask questions. Yeah you know, you know, you you don't know until you until you ask, you know, you know, just ask him anything. He's he's here right here. You know, just talk to him. And he did, man. And it was it was great for you know, not just for Brian, but all the guys in the gym. You know, when Evander comes, I'll make them sit down and talk to him and ask him all kinds of questions. Uh Evander's there to say, hey man, just you know, if I can help you, I will. Just it's just just tell me what you want to know.

SPEAKER_06 57:57

Hey, it didn't David Morrell was with you at one point, wasn't he, for a couple fights? Yes. Well, what happened? What happened? Did you see his fight? Oh my god, what happened? I mean, he had the secret sauce of Ronnie Shields, and then what happened? He went off the range, and what happened?

SPEAKER_11 58:14

You know, you know, Brian, it's something's you know, something's happened for a reason. You know, I, you know, these guys sometimes they come in and they think they can come in and run my gym. And you're not gonna come in and run my gym. Right. You know, I'm the only one to pay the bills there. So, you know, so nobody is gonna come and run my gym. You know, the thing with David was, you know, David, he's lazy. You know, and I used to think about it sometimes when I give you a training time, I expect you to be there 15 minutes before your training time to get yourself together and do whatever you have to do. This guy would come in 30, 45, an hour, a minute, an hour late. You know, had to sit him down, talk to him. You know what? Okay, no problem. So when this last time he was I'm waiting on him to come, they tell me, well, he he's making a change. I said, Good. Wow, I said, that's great, that's great. You know, the the thing about it is they know once you leave, there's no coming back.

SPEAKER_08 59:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 59:36

So all the talent in the world, all the talent in the world, but you know, you can't keep him from hurting himself.

SPEAKER_06 59:47

Yeah. Wow, that's crazy. And look what happened. Look what happened. He gets he gets stopped by uh, you know, and respectfully, a journeyman. Yeah, absolutely. Wow, that is something. Uh Alex has got another question.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:07

I'm gonna try to play the audio message. I don't know, Ronnie, if you can hear this. Let's see.

SPEAKER_18 1:00:12

Oh, Ronnie, it's Alex again. Just wanted to ask you about Jamal Charlo. I wanted to ask, given the discipline that you've seen thus far in the gym and seeing the 168-pound landscape, even the 175-pound landscape, what do you see in the future of a very well disciplined Jamal Charlotte and coming up with this opponent that's being picked out from Australia? What are you looking to do with Jamal Charlo? Are you pushing him to make a statement? Are you pushing him to maybe get the rounds in? What's the outlook on the upcoming fight for him since he's been off for about a year now?

SPEAKER_11 1:00:56

Well, as far as you know, look at making them give rounds. I don't believe in that. I don't, I don't believe in that. You know, you fight another man that's in front of you, you know, and everybody that gets in that ring is coming to win. So, you know, you know, the the the best thing I can do for Jamal Charlotte, get him in great shape. And hey, if we're going to win round, I'm very happy with that. You know, I'm not trying to get, you know, rounds, you know, so-called rounds. You know, this this is this part is too dangerous to try to get rounds. You know, what you have to get is, you know, to get him in the best shape that's possible and then let him go from there. You know, who he fights, you know, it doesn't matter who Jamal Charlotte fights. He's at the point now where, you know, he can fight anybody. And he should be fighting everybody. You know, no more excuses, no more nothing. You know, now it's grind time. He only have a few years left. You know, at 37 years old right now, 36, 37 years old, you know, he has to understand that this is his last run. You know, the run don't last forever.

unknown 1:02:09

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:10

Let me tell you something. This is why I love this is why I love Rodney Shield. Roddy Shield, you got it, you got our chats blowing up. Everybody wants a question. Uh, this one comes from the real McCoy. Uh, it says, Coach, I would like my advice on my 17-year-old son. I want to say uh he's been taking a break from boxing. Uh, he always had a pro style uh versus amateur. We haven't been talking. He's with his mom and she moved to Arizona.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:41

Yeah, that's you know, first you have to get the relationship back with your son. That's that's number one. You know, uh, if you're someone to be a fighter, of course, you gotta be in that gym every day, man. It's this is, you know, boxing is a job. You know, it's something you have to do every day. You know, you can't do it and have to do it. If you're gonna do it, you gotta do it full-time. You know, it just is, you know, it makes so much sense that he's a 17-year-old kid. He's in a the, you know, he this is the best learning time of his life. You know, so he can learn everything at this age, you know, and so and yes, pro style, okay, that's fine. 17, depending on how many amateur fights he's had. If you feel he's ready to go pro, then that's what you have to do. But you have to understand, you know, being as a pro takes a lot of discipline. And if he's not disciplined enough for you that you think he can't turn pro right now, then keep him amateur. You know, if he's disciplined enough that you think he is, then hope. Then get with, you know, make sure he has a good trainer, but make sure he gives one of the top uh promoters out there because you know, you don't wanna, you know, you want him fighting regular at that age. That's the only way he's gonna learn.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:11

The great Ronnie Shields through dropping those gems. Hey, uh it was in Houston. What did you think about the Oshaki Foster Ray Four fight?

SPEAKER_11 1:04:19

I I thought it was a great fight. Oshaki really showed himself.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_11 1:04:23

You know, he showed who he really is, you know. And you know, Ray Ford, you know, I was a little disappointed in the f in the things that I saw him do. You know, I thought, you know, if you're fighting for the championship of the world, you gotta go get it, man. You know, and he started out the first couple rounds was not so good, but then he picked it up like three, four, and five. He really picked up the fight. But then all of a sudden, Oshaka was like, hey, you're coming after my title, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_11 1:04:52

Oshaka just turned up the pace on him, you know, and left him behind. But that's what good fighters do, you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:00

And and I I agree with you wholeheartedly. I I said this, we we were talking before you came on. I said, at what point are people gonna start respecting Oshaki Foster? Man, that guy can fight. I'm telling you. I mean, listen, he doesn't may not have the names of the Jaqord, the tanks, the Ryan. But yo, this dude can fight. He's slick. Uh, he knows he's in the B at 130, he got long arms. He knows his range really well. Uh I like Oshaki Foster. And you saw obviously Shakur jump in there afterwards and was like, yo, well, let's get it. Let's what would you what would you think about a Shakur Oshaki Foster fight?

SPEAKER_11 1:05:43

Well, you know, it's another great fight because of his length and his, you know, the way the way Oshaki fights, you know. But Shakur is a different level. You know, he's a different level right now. You know, Oshaki, you know. He I mean, I think he's the best 130 pounder in the world right now. But when you talk about moving up in weight and going to that next elite level of Shakur Stevenson, that's something that's way different. That's things he haven't seen before. And but the guys Oshaki is fighting, he's beating good guys. Don't get me wrong. But that's at 130 pounds. When you go up to the next level, it gets harder and harder and harder. And that's something a level he haven't seen yet. So, you know, and I know they sparred before. Right. Sparring is so much different. When you got full action, you got a big crowd out there, you got everybody watching around the world watching you. That becomes a different mentality then. So, and I think right now, I think he will give Shakur a great fight. But I just think Shakur is just one level above Oshaki right now.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:00

I I think for for and and listen, you know, I'm sure Oshaki's team will do what they want to do, but if you're top rank, why not do Oshaki and Emmanuel Navarrate? I mean, you're doing a unification fight right there. That would be huge.

SPEAKER_11 1:07:15

Absolutely. You know, it's all about the experience. You know, Shakur got that experience already, you know, and he got it in real fights. I'm not talking about gym fights, and that's where people get confused at. Gym fights is gym fights. But when you get in there with the real tough guys, Shakur has that. Oshaki dope. So yeah, Navarre, you gotta get that fight and prove yourself in that fight. Because right now, they got him above Oshaki. You know, so you gotta say, okay, let me go get this fight before I start calling out Shakur. Get that fight, clean that division up. Then you go up with that experience, and that's gonna help him.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:59

And I know we joked about this at the beginning. Is it because of your gym? Well, what is it about Houston that now it's like so many cats are like coming and staying in Houston and training in Houston and living there in Houston?

SPEAKER_13 1:08:13

What is it?

SPEAKER_11 1:08:14

Yeah, man, you know, look, everybody loves Houston, man. You know, look, we we do, we have some great trainers here. We do. You know, Shocky got Bobby been Bobby and I have been friends for a very long time, you know, and he got good guys around him also that helps him. So, and it's the same back in my gym. You know, we have we have good trainers in my gym. We, you know, we all work together, and that's what it's all about. But the thing about it here, you know, we don't have to really, in the winter time, we don't have the really cold weather. You you know, we don't have we don't hardly see snow here or anything like that. But we, you know, we have good weather all year round. So, you know, people come here, but it's all about, you know, you can keep great sparring here, you know, you can get everything here. So you don't have to go elsewhere to look.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:08

Interesting. We got another super chat, man. God, they they I mean they love you, coach. These cats are blowing up our thing. Uh Trice Toledo says, your thoughts on pros going back uh to the Olympics. I'm not a big fan of that.

SPEAKER_11 1:09:23

Okay, I'm not a big fan of it. You know, I think, you know, coming up has always been, hey man, as an amateur, the biggest thing for an amateur is to get into the Olympics. You know, and you got all these amateur guys that's that's coming up and they're trying to fight their way up just to get to that level and get to the Olympics. But then all of a sudden, we're bringing back professional fighters that have so much more experience than these young guys, and we're taking that away from them. You know, we're taking something away from an amateur kid that has poured his heart out into trying to make it to the Olympics, and now we're letting these professional fighters come back that with all the experience they had from the amateurs and all the pro experience, and you you put them over these amateur kids who's grinding every single day to try to get to that spot to get on the Olympic team, and then we're taking these guys with more much more experience over there. And you know, these kids you're taking these kids' dream away from them. You know, why would we do that? Why would we go take these kids' dream away from them? But these guys got way more experience. They've already been amateur now they're professionals and getting experience on the professional side, and then you're saying, okay, it's okay for you to come back now and take this dream from these young kids.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:55

That's interesting. That's interesting. Appreciate that. Uh Toledo Trice, appreciate the uh trice to appreciate the uh the super chat. Uh and we've got the great Ronnie Shields uh here with us. Hey, hey, do you train female fighters at all, Ronnie?

SPEAKER_11 1:11:11

You know what? I have one female fighter that I was training, okay, but now she's one of my trainers. She's one of my trainers now. Okay, you know, and so and uh actually I had a fight in California a couple weeks ago, and I got a visit from Caroline Dubois.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:34

Really?

SPEAKER_11 1:11:34

Yeah, but I wasn't there. So I missed her. But she wanted she wanted to come work out with me to see if you know if we can do do something together. But I was I was out of town when she came.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:48

Well, uh Carol Caroline Dubois, matter of fact, she was at that Stephanie Hahn Holly Home fight and told Stephanie Hahn, who got the the the controversial win over home, like, yo, why don't you fight me? I'm a champion, and that's what Hahn said. She was like, Yeah, I would like to fight you next. Let's unify. So that's interesting. You said and and and where do you stand on this? Because it's women's boxing is hot right now. Do you, you know, the MVP line is we want equality and we should be fighting uh three-minute rounds, whereas there's others that are like, hey, women boxing is just fine where it is with the two-minute rounds. Where do you fall on that?

SPEAKER_11 1:12:36

Well, you know, I I mean I love women boxing. Yeah. I do. And I think the women deserve to have whatever they feel they should have. Yeah. You know, but you know, look, two, three-minute rounds, it doesn't matter. You know, these women go in the gym and they train just as hard as the men does. So why not say, okay, we want to be equal in rounds, equal in minutes that we go. You know, why are they doing this two-minute round thing? You know, women want to show, look, we're just as equal as the men. We can't fight the men, but at least with each other, we can do the same thing as the men do. And I agree, three minutes round, that should be it. They're professionals. Do not treat them like professionals if you let them go two minutes. Professionals go three minutes. So why not? They want to prove they're just as equal as the as the men. Why not let them go three minutes? And I agree wholeheartedly with the women. Oh, look at that. Okay, right.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:44

I didn't know he was gonna go that route, but okay, go. I like that. Uh do you have uh listen? Obviously, you got your your stable of fighters, but do you have like favorite guys that you'd be like, man, if he's fighting, I'm turning on the TV, I'm gonna watch him. I like this cat. This cat is is a favorite fighter of mine. Who are who are who are Ronnie Ronnie Shields' favorites?

SPEAKER_11 1:14:10

One is Jacos Davidson. Okay, he's definitely one of my favorite fighters, you know. Um Another David Benavides. Yes, you know, I've gone up against David with Morale, you know, but that was a great fight. It's definitely one of my favorite fighters, you know. And I'm gonna pick guys that not with my stable, because I don't want to sign. Yes. But so, but um man, it's so many, it's so many good young up-and-coming fighters out there that you know that that people haven't really seen yet, you know. And but man, you know, boxing right now is so hot right now. And we just have to keep it going, you know, and but we have to give these young guys opportunities. And I gotta say this, Eddie Hearn, right, is really signing a lot of young up-and-coming fighters from the states. Really? Yeah, he is signing a lot of uh young guys that and you know he's he's he's doing what's up what these guys here are supposed to be doing. Eddie Hearn is doing it now. And he's taking US guys and bringing them there to London. And he's you know, he's showcasing them there, you know. These promoters here gotta get on the ball, man, because we're losing a lot of guys to the Europeans. We are, whether they know it or not, we are, we're losing.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:46

The great example is that is Boots Innis. He went and signed Boots Innis and bringed up the match room. Now Boots has got this big fight with Xander Zayas. How do you see that fight playing out? Uh goes down June 27th.

SPEAKER_11 1:15:57

This is gonna be a bomb burner fight, you know. And for me, I think Boots is the favorite. But Gather for Miller Zayas is champion. He's not going in there to give up his titles. This guy's gonna fight. You know, this is gonna be a classic fight. This is gonna be classic, but I'm favoring Boots in the fight.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:24

Well what do you what do you take on? You you talked about match room coming in. What about Zufa? What do you what do you like, Zofa? Do you do you like what they're doing where especially if you get signed to Zufa, they have like it's almost like a the UFC of boxing. They got their own league, you wear the the the the single the trunk, you gotta be white or whatever, they only fight net that and now I guess the the the place in Vegas. Uh what what do you think about and then the Zufa belt? What do you think about Zufa?

SPEAKER_11 1:16:52

Well, I got pros and cons about Zufa. Okay, right? Let me tell you the cons first. Okay, right. What I don't like is you know, they changed some of the divisions. They took away like the junior, like junior walked away, they took that away, junior middleweight, you took that away. I mean, I don't think they understand what fighters go through with weight. You know, this is why they put in, you know, all the junior weights because fighters was so small having to go up because they couldn't make the smaller weight. So they you know, if you got a guy that's fighting 140 pounds, right? But then you take that away. You force him to go up because he can't go back down. He can't down to one, he can't go down to 135. He's too small, I mean too big for that weight. Then he's too small to go up to 147. And you take away 140 pounds. That that's gonna hurt so many young fighters, you know? That's gonna really hurt them. And so I'm I'm I'm against that. That's the that's the thing I'm against. They kept in cruiserweight, which is a good thing for those guys, but all the other junior weights you took away. And that's gonna hurt so many fighters, especially with weight. So many guys are not big enough to go up, and some so many guys are not, they're too big to go down. So you're killing them trying to make that weight, you know, to try to go down to that weight, and that's gonna hurt a lot of fighters. But the good thing I like about them, like when when you go to the fight, when you go to the venue or to the city to wherever you're fighting, let's say Las Vegas, when you go there, you go there like three or four days before the fight. Right away, they give you um a nutritionist. Right? They put you on a scale, they're telling you, okay, you can eat this, they give you food. I mean, they give you food for every day that you're there. They make sure you eat also, and then they monitor everything. I love that.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:15

Wow.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:15

Because it's gonna help so many fighters with the weight, you know, we're trying to with the weight cut, you know, and they're doing a good thing there. But they have one other thing that I don't like, right? So if you have family that's coming and you get the and they're giving you comp tickets, right? They give you four ring-size seats, right? If you soon as you your guy fight, you gotta get up. You lose those seats. Wow. Not only do you have to get up, you gotta leave the venue.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:54

Hey Alex, they said you ain't got to go home, but you gotta get the hell up out of here.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:00

That's crazy. That's crazy work.

SPEAKER_11 1:20:02

The fighter gotta leave the venue. Oh wow, they don't get a chance time to change clothes. Wow. Right outside the door. You gotta get you gotta go. You done, you gotta go.

unknown 1:20:18

Damn.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:19

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_11 1:20:22

I don't understand that part.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:25

He's like, yeah, uh, I got I got season prepared for these guys. Get out of here.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:30

Wow. That's crazy. That's crazy work. I didn't know that. Uh got another uh super chat uh question for you from uh Zip Pacino. It says, Coach, I know none of the champs are calling for Justin Paul, but how close is he to a title shot?

SPEAKER_11 1:20:56

Man, nobody wants to fight Justin Baldo. Tell us why. Well, you know, he's a lightweight that I have, you know, and Justin is one of these kids, man, that you know, he's a counterpuncher. And he makes everybody look bad. Everybody, you know, so everybody's trying to stay away from him. You know, Justin, I think, is ranked number six by the WBA as a lightweight. So, but you know, right now, you know, he's uh trying to pressure his managers to, you know, man, get me give me something. You know, it's I mean it's hard to get this guy fights. Everybody turned him down. Everybody turns him down. So, you know, so hopefully, you know, his his managers come up with something soon. Because, you know, he's in the gym every day, you know, he's working, and it's hard for a kid to work hard every day when you know he has nothing coming up, you know. I mean, it's it's it's it's it's just one of those crazy things. It's really disturbing.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:01

Wow, Justin Paul. Oh, I'm gonna keep my eyes and uh keep looking open for him.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:05

For him. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:06

Who who else you got in your stable, man, that we need to keep our eye on? Like you, like, hey, I'm telling you. And and and and in a year or two, you're gonna say, I told you so.

SPEAKER_11 1:22:18

You know, I I got a few guys that's like that, actually. Uh, I got this kid, you know, he's 168, also, his name is David Stevens. Okay, you know, and so David is with Golden Boy. Oh, okay. Yeah, he's with Golden Boy Promotions and Golden Boy, you know, they they trying to push him, but you know, but this is a kid, he needs to be active. You know, you can't fight him like every four or five months and you know, expect him to you know just to keep doing what he's doing, you know. So, but he's one of the guys. And I got a heavyweight that's also the golden boy. His name is Joshua Elk. Okay. He was he was an Olympian. He was an Olympian, and he he won the Pan American Games, and he's uh six and oh right now. He's fighting on a golden boy show on June the 20th. So you guys don't want to take a look at this this heavyweight. He's uh six and oh with five knockouts. Wow, okay, I'm gonna get a lot of people. And this kid, let me tell you about Josh right quick. So Josh right now is about six four right now, right? Okay, and he's 25 years old, he's 25. So his father is like 6'7. Oh man, and his grandfather is 6'9. Okay, now they telling me that Josh is not finished growing because they both had a gross spot at 26 years old. Wow, so they telling me, I'm telling you, he's gonna have that gross point, and every day I look at this kid, I swear to you, it seemed like he grew in a half an inch.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:05

That's unbelievable. He's got foundora up in his camp.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:09

I'm telling you, this kid, man, you know, he looks bigger and bigger every day he comes to the gym. I tell him, I say, man, did you grow?

SPEAKER_07 1:24:18

That's fantastic. That is fantastic.

SPEAKER_17 1:24:23

Double growth spurts. Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:26

The great Roddy Shields with us on The Last Stand Live. Listen, coach, I know we've had you for an hour, so we I know we don't want to monopolize all your time and let you go, but we got to wrap it up here. Let's wrap it up and and and let the people know, especially maybe if some were just now tuning in. Errol Spence, give us the latest on Errol Spence, uh, where he is in his training, and then uh Jamal Charlotte as well.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:52

Well, as far as Erlispence, man, we're doing some great things in the gym right now. I'm really happy the way things are going right now. And I'm telling you, man, you know, in the next couple months, you're gonna see the best air of space you've ever seen. And man, I'm just so excited for him because things are going so great right now. And with as far as Jamal Charlotte is concerned, the same. The gym is going great. And you know, everything happens in the gym. You know, if it goes well in the gym, it's definitely gonna go well in the fight. So we're just looking so far to just going to Australia and show them that where the best fighters are.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:40

What did you what did you what did you make of uh I think it was the press conference when uh Arrow walked by? He was like, nah, I heard what you were saying on social media, I don't play that shit.

SPEAKER_11 1:26:00

You know, here's the thing, and you know, Errol said, look, man, this guy talked so much trash on me.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:06

Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_11 1:26:07

Then all of a sudden he sees me and want to shake my hand. Yeah, he said, hell no, I ain't gonna fall. You say I'm not doing that. Come on, you can't talk trash to me. They want to be friends with me. He said, No, no, no, we'll be friends after the fight. Yeah, but I'm gonna kick your ass.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:26

Yeah, that's how King Rodney's coming. Yeah, I like it. That's how King Ronnie's listen, we we had Alex knows this, we had it, we had Tim Zoo on the last stand, and he that's what he said. He said, I'm gonna retire, Arrow Spence. Every dog has his day.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:40

He said, every dog has his day, and I'm gonna retire this guy. He's gonna win that. He never came out of retirement. We were like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_11 1:26:48

Hey, I like that. I like that, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:51

I like it.

SPEAKER_11 1:26:52

I like that become better for us.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:55

I like and and Maul, do you you does Maul see himself what fighting for the title here? What in another year or so?

SPEAKER_11 1:27:02

Well, I don't think he has to wait that long to tell you the truth. After this fight was a possibility that we can get Mungia. Okay. I would love that fight. Yes, that'd be a great fight. Yes, yeah, I would love that fight. But the crazy thing about it is we could have had Ricendez fight. And you know, Maul's thought he was going through something and just couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_17 1:27:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:27:29

So he could be champion of the world right now.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_11 1:27:33

Interesting.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:34

Before you go, Ronnie, how's your health? Oh, my health is great, man. It's good.

SPEAKER_11 1:27:39

Working hard every day.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:40

So let's go.

SPEAKER_11 1:27:41

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:42

Got your checkups going? You you've been you've been doing your checkups, Ronnie? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Okay, good. Oh, yeah, I definitely do that. Okay, fantastic. I do that, man.

SPEAKER_11 1:27:52

I I have to do that.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:54

You got to. You got to. That's good.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:00

That's good stuff.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:01

I like it. I like it. That's my guy, Ronnie Shields, one of the best in the sport of boxing. Training, he was a great fighter. Now he's training. He's just one of the great people. Yeah, you have people in this sport, and you're like, I need to wash my hands after I'm after. But Ronnie Shields is one of the great brothers in the sport. And I love you, brother. Man, I appreciate you. Love you guys too, kicking it. Thank you, Ronnie, for your time. We appreciate it.

SPEAKER_11 1:28:35

You gotta have me back on. Oh yeah, let's do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:37

After all, hopefully you'll put his picture on so we can see. You know what I'm talking about in the dark. Ronnie, what you doing up in there in the dark, bro? We didn't see the videos of Diddy and Ronnie.

SPEAKER_11 1:29:01

No, I'm gonna never do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:05

It's crazy out there when I did that, Ronnie. Thank you, Ronnie Shields. Love you, brother.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:12

Love you guys too, man. Thank you. You too. That's a great Ronnie Shields, man. I love this guy, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:18

I absolutely love me some Ronnie Shields.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:25

I think that's sheared in all of it with all these speeds, man. Oh my god, bro. Turn the camera on.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:34

He went click. I was like, what?

SPEAKER_18 1:29:38

But Coach Ronnie always got phenomenal knowledge, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:42

Great knowledge, man.

SPEAKER_18 1:29:44

One of the man. One of the it's great to hear him in Arrow.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:47

Yeah, how about that?

SPEAKER_18 1:29:49

The way he was pitching Arrow right now. Yeah. When you guys said I want to see the fight, I'm like, damn, I yeah, I want to see this one. Absolutely. I mean, obviously, I'm getting the feeling that it's gonna be a strong onslaught from the get.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:01

I think there's still some questions there because he said it's gonna be a fire fight. And I don't know if Arrow's ready for another firefight after the Crawford. I'd I'd rather see more of a technical fight as him moving around a little more.

SPEAKER_18 1:30:12

I think that that jab, remember, he said the jab. Ronnie reinforced the jab. So I'm thinking, all right, because you know when Errol had that jab, he always worked off the jab. Yeah, that jab was always out there. He has and the body work, but the that's what I'm saying. From the jab to the bodywork, and if he keeps that jab, Tim Zoo's gonna have some issues, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:30

Uh he's well said he's gonna come at him from as soon as the bell starts, he's gonna come at him. He's gonna try to beat him down. Yeah, he's gonna try to get him out in the first round, but try to beat him down. That could be his demise there.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:43

You might you might remember, I think it was Mikey Garcia. Remember the Mikey Garcia fight when Errol did that one? Yeah, he just he boxed. Remember, he said, Y'all said I couldn't box, and he just jabbed and boxed and beat Mikey Garcia.

SPEAKER_18 1:30:57

Uh so yeah, he sparring some guys in there, man. EJ spawned some guy. What's that guy that that uh I think Toledo that mentioned him?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:06

No, no, no, it was uh how pronounced his last name.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:10

Oh, oh yeah, yes, yes, yes, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:13

That's giving him good work, he said. Giving him Andrew seems like uh yes, there you go. Yeah, yeah. It seems like uh Jamal, or yeah, Jamal's ready to get back back it up, give it one more run as well for the belt.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:26

Well, listen, you you know, remember we had that debate. Was it is it the last live show we did? Who has the best jab in boxing? Yeah, about Jamal Charlo. It was Jamal Charlo, and that's that you know, hey, look, Ronnie, big on that, bro. You gotta have a good jab. Yeah, and he likes them, he likes some power jabs that that that hurt you, and that's what Charlo's got.

SPEAKER_18 1:31:46

And hopefully, if Arrow can add that, whoo, we I'd really like to see the brothers give it another run, man. They're good for boxing, bro. I like I like I like them in boxing, man. I like the way they talk, I like the way they present themselves and the way they go out. They they they get they get me excited to come watch the fight, man. I really do, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:04

Let's see what I'm upset that that plant fight's probably not gonna happen now.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:08

I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:09

How about he from what Ronnie's telling me? He only got a trainer, yes. But I I've seen on Instagram he's he's been training, but I'm working as a trainer, right? Right.

SPEAKER_18 1:32:20

So he looks like he's not too far away from waiting.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:23

Now he looks in good shape for sure. He's running. I don't think anybody has ever said, you know, Caleb Plant don't work hard, or Caleb Plant, you know, don't come in shape. That kid will work hard, and a lot of it is a lot of it is just your story. When you've been an underdog for all your life, you know, you always gonna have that that drive, that push. And I think that's you know, Caleb, he reps that he and and and to his uh to a lot, he's probably been an overachiever a lot, uh but it's that it's that it's his environment that has pushed him to be uh and accomplish so much that he has accomplished, yeah. So you know, I I it it's now just trying to find the right the right guy. I think what we have Brettman on. Remember when Brettman was talking about you know why they split and things of that nature, and but but yeah, I I'll it'll be interesting to see, you know, who where does Clay Caleb Plant go to next? Yeah, where does he go next?

SPEAKER_18 1:33:26

I don't know how many fights he probably he's probably on his way out. I mean, these guys have been in the game for a few years, I mean several years now, man. Uh, these guys are I don't think we're gonna these I think we're in that transitional period.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:38

We do, you're right.

SPEAKER_18 1:33:38

Yeah, I'm saying Ronnie's saying a lot of new guys coming in, and then you see these old school guys have been giving us you know a lot of entertainment, a lot of good fights. They're starting to kind of wean out and give it like their last hurrah, so to speak. Yeah, um, and I like the Ronnie's take too on on uh on Shakur, man. Shakur is just a great fighter, man. And um, he he he said it, man. I don't know if Oshak's ready for that type of sauce, man. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:03

Did you see uh they were digging in the crates and they found an old Shakur clip talking about uh yeah, uh Shaki, yeah, he he where he said he's probably the second best fighter.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:14

He said he was the best, and that he's probably the second best fighter.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:17

Someone said Shakur got the worst digital footprint in boxing. Here it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:25

I'm gonna tell y'all uh secret fighter that nobody knows about at 130 pounds. Uh I say Oceanik Foster.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:31

Oceanik. Oceanik.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:33

If he's a hundred percent and will come at his best, uh I think that he's the second best. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell y'all uh secret fighters.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:44

Uh shock just posted that today. He did posted that. He didn't what was that? When was that?

SPEAKER_06 1:34:51

He's your man Shakur looks like when was that interview? He looks good. I I when I saw it, I and I saw, listen, I saw and I was like, was that from the last stand? Yeah, because it was I'm like because I'm looking and I'm looking at it.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:07

You can see the the in the top right, it said last and on.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:10

Yeah, because I'm like, yo, that was from our and and I remember asking asking uh Shakur, it was kind of like the question I asked Ronnie. It was like, yo, give me somebody that we're not talking about right now that you believe is the truth, was basically the question I asked him. And that's what he said. That well, you know, I'm gonna tell you, give you one guy that people aren't talking about in Oceanique Foster. Oceanik. I was like, who's Oceanik?

SPEAKER_04 1:35:42

I didn't know I didn't know who he was talking about at that point. I'm like, what?

SPEAKER_18 1:35:47

That that did not age well right there. Especially right now with the beef they got going on. Yeah, I'm pretty sure these guys, man, you know, sparring is sparring, man. These guys, sometimes, you know, you're working on stuff, sometimes, you know, you get over on some guys, guys have a good day, a bad day. Um, the fact of the matter is that they know each other. So and the way Oshaki was speaking, it's like he knows that he can get off on certain things. And obviously, the evolution of a fighter continues, right? That these guys are on different levels from when they sparred. But how interested are you guys in even seeing that, man? It looks like like like the whole entire fight was overshadowed with the with the last scene of Shakur jumping in and shit. Yeah, it's like I didn't even get I was looking for the post-fight interview for for for Ford, and I didn't even see that. Like, I didn't even get to see that. Like, what happened?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:33

I'm surprised they let Shakur up there. I'm I'm not gonna lie. I don't know. He told him he was like, come up, come up, yeah. But I'm surprised they let him up there. But uh, I I I don't I don't think that fight's realistic because what uh shocks gotta go up what 10 pounds, yeah, for that.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:48

Well, yeah, I mean, and you would probably I would assume if if you're gonna try to make that, you say, Hey, look, can we do a catchway 137?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:56

But I don't think Shakur would even like he wouldn't really entertain that. I don't think he'd entertain that.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:01

Shakur looked big. I don't think he'd entertain that he does. Shakur does look, you know, really thick. He looked bigger than him, yeah.

SPEAKER_18 1:37:08

Obviously, he's not in fight weight, but he looked way bigger than just shock either.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:12

Yeah, I'd rather see shock versus Lamont. That would be a fight that I'd like to do. Yeah, mom was there.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:21

He's got that fight. Was it August 1st?

SPEAKER_03 1:37:23

Yeah, uh that's gonna be a banger as well. That's a banger. Yeah, we'll get to see how that looks.

SPEAKER_18 1:37:30

You know, Shakur did what he did with Sapeta. Let's see what Lamont can do. I know these these barometer fights, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:38

The one fight that I need tomorrow is Boots, uh Xander. That's that's the one. That's the one we're gonna be for right now, man.

SPEAKER_18 1:37:46

I saw the face off at the big apple. Oh my goodness. That that's gonna be uh it looks like Xander really gets under Boots' skin.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:54

Boots' skin.

SPEAKER_18 1:37:55

Like you see the face to face they had this weekend. I'm seeing you know, every time I see Boots gets annoyed, it's like a vein pops up right outside of his forehead.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:07

What annoys him is how confident Xander is. Like, I'm gonna whoop your ass. Like that, I feel like that's where it gets because Boots has always been the favorite in the majority of the fights. Because guys don't even talk too much. Exactly. They don't they don't step to Boots out. Xander is Xander's like, I'm so confident that I'm gonna whoop your ass that this this this is not this is not no, this is not I'm not messing around. Like, I'm here to win. A lot of the guys that Boots fights, I don't think they're there to actually beat Boots. But Boots Boots is very annoyed, I think, uh the confidence that Xander has. And obviously he has the belts, but like he he really thinks he's gonna win this fight.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:45

Folks, uh, listen, we have an interview with Xander Zayas that's gonna be dropping next Monday. You don't want to miss it. Uh, I asked, I think about every question you could ask Xander Zayas about the boots in his fight. Uh, I think this is gonna be one heck of a fight on June 27th at Barclays. Um, I I think we have a clip, right? We got a clip.

SPEAKER_18 1:39:09

Yeah, I think we got the clip going right now. Just to get a little teaser out there for the fans.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:15

Just for the fan. And look, you know, folks, keep sending in your questions. You got questions for Alex, you got questions for Colin, you got questions for myself. We'll answer on any topics that we have. Whether it's something maybe you heard from Ronnie that you want us to answer, uh, we'll we'll answer those. Make sure you send in those questions right now. But we're gonna show you one of the clips uh from uh the Xander Zayas episode that you will see next Monday on the last stand here. And the question I had for him was you know, Boots is obviously the favorite going into this fight, but you tell me basically why Xander Zayas is going to win this fight.

SPEAKER_18 1:39:54

Let me actually make sure that we have the audio for this too. Give me a second, guys. Let me give me a secundo. Right here, actually. Okay, there we go. And he was the way Xander Zayas always speaks, man. It's like you said, Colin, like it gets he's annoying him with his confidence. He's good. Yeah, that's what I noticed on the face-to-face. That confidence that he keeps speaking of. He just keeps getting madder and madder every interview I see. All right, I think I got the clip for you guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:30

Uh let's let's see if we can get it on sync here to accomplish and what they're trying. And if that's the picture that is gonna help him, um, come fight night, be prepared. Well, let it be. At the end, I know what I'm doing, I know how I work, I know the work ethic I put in, I know what I bring to the table. And come jump to me, come June 27th. I will be ready to do what I do and come out victorious.

SPEAKER_17 1:40:56

He's confident, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:57

He's got it. He's confident, right? He he even gave us a break. I I genuinely think that people are underestimating. I still have Boots winning, but I have it going all 12. Yeah, I I saw people think that uh Boots is gonna knock him out. I don't think Boots knocks him out, but no, Zander's tough dude, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:13

He he tough kid. I like him a lot. I I like Zander's diet, I like him a whole lot. Um, but a confident guy, don't you think, Alex? After that, super confident.

SPEAKER_18 1:41:24

Look, I never seen anybody speak to to Jeron Ennis this way. I I've never seen Stanley Onis wasn't talking like this, you know. None of these guys were talking like this, and I uh and and and you know the fact that he's doing it and he's not playing a role, you don't see him trying to like hype himself up. It's like pure confidence in himself, you know, as he should be, right? He's a two-belt champion. Yeah, yeah, you we can keep you know uh trumpeting about you know him being young and all this stuff, but it doesn't matter. David Benavides was young too when he was coming up and and knocking guys out and being the champion that he is now. So, you know, uh I think we're looking into a really good fight. Uh Jeron is Jerron is the favorite, right? Let's just say he's the majority favorite. And and and as he as he should be, he does have a little bit more experience, right? Maybe like 10, 10, 15 fights more approximately, if I'm not you know too far off on that number. And um he's really been putting guys down, he knocks guys down, but he's had his little troubles too, you know. And I think that that's uh what Xander's eyes always points out, like, oh, you got hit, or you know, you had a little trouble here. And uh I think it was in one of the fights, I forget what fight it was, guys. Um where he had uh uh I think he did he win all 12 rounds, right? I gotta look it up just to make sure that I'm not you know messing that up. But or Xander's boots, boots, boots. I know he had uh a fight where he he didn't know. Was it Villa?

SPEAKER_06 1:42:45

Oh yeah, Ramon Villa.

SPEAKER_18 1:42:48

And and you know, maybe sometimes we have off days. And I never judge, you know, too too for look too far into that because you know sometimes we can have an off day as a fighter, but Jeron isn't the favorite, and he has been knocking guys out. Xander's eyes hasn't been knocking guys out, you know. Um I think that he's shown tremendous boxing skill and adjustment abilities. And I think that that counts for a lot when you're going up against a guy like Jeron Ennis. You're gonna have to make adjustments. Jeron Ennis is uh you know the type of guy that if you start, you know, to second guess yourself in that ring, you're gonna have to make adjustments really quick to avoid some of that power. And if you can't make those adjustments, he smells the blood from start to finish you, man. So uh you know it's it's it's a it's looking like Jeron Ennis is the favorite, the majority favorite, but going into this fight, man, I gotta I gotta you know balance the scales uh with Xander. I think that we're looking at uh a very good fight, let's say 60-40 on this fight. And uh I know I know the chat's you know saying that you know Xander's gonna get washed.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:57

Wow. Uh yeah, a lot of people respectfully, I can see from their perspective because that last fight against Barrow, he didn't look the best. But he was going for the knockout in round 12. He got caught a couple times, but I feel like he'll fight a completely different fight against Boots than he fought against Barrow. Obviously, you're looking to knock out bro. I don't know if he's gonna knock out Boots, but um I don't I don't know his method of I don't know what their method of training is against Boots, but I feel like he's gonna fight a completely different fight than he fought against Barrow. And that was an entertaining fight. That was very entertaining, entertaining fight.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:32

And he went toe-to-toe with him. Yeah, he went toe toe in the 12th round. I give I give Xander, I give Xander, I give him prop for that because he was going up against a champion, they both were champion, and he was like, yo, okay, you won't slug it out with him. Well, let's slug it out. Let's slug it out.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:48

He ain't knocked him out though. He ain't knocked him out though.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:51

Yeah, but you know, I hey, I liked it. I liked I liked his his cojones uh in that cojones, he was at home, he was at home, and I was like we put on our show at home. And I will say this it's one of those fights where now they can finally answer questions because you know how we love boots. Boots is so talented, but you know, I hear people say all that, oh man, you be talking about boots and boots and that who has he fought? Boots ain't fought nobody, boots ain't that well you can't say that anymore now. He's fighting a young champion who is in his prime, so to speak. So this is this is gonna be one heck of a fight. And then the same thing for Xander's ias. You know, people have said, oh yeah, Xander's great, he's talented, but who has he really fought? He's only really fought one or two. Okay, now he got boots in this. He got the the the boogeyman of boogeyman in in this division, and and it's it's a great test. It's almost like this is what you want two young guys for the most part going ahead and fight. Now, there's other people, and that we even asked Xander this this question, and and give me y'all's thoughts on this. Some people say, Well, this is almost like Canelo fighting Floyd. Canelo was the young whipper snapper that everybody was like, Oh, this kid is gonna be great, but oh, was it too early for him to fight Floyd? And Boots is like the Floyd, whereas everybody's oh, he's athletic, he's powerful, he's this and that for the maybe, maybe Xander should have waited a little bit for this fight.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:32

Do you remember when we asked Red Man the same question? And he said he didn't like that because there might be never a point in in Xander's career where he would be up to par, so you would never know. So I think I I would take that perspective as like this is probably the highest peak Xander has right now. I mean, you got the belts. I don't know what Boots' career path is looking like. I don't obviously you'll never know until it happens, but I think this this is probably the highest peak Xander will have to fight a boot. I mean, you have the belts, you have you have leverage right now. He has the leverage right now to make this fight. And I feel like that's why we're having it right now, rather than waiting a couple years and let's say Xander takes a loss and loses the belts, then you can't fight a boot. This is the this is the this is the leverage he has right now. I have the belts, so let's do it.

SPEAKER_18 1:47:21

Yeah, I think it's it switches a little bit, right? Because I Floyd Floyd had the belts at that time, right? And Canelo was trying to get those belts.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:28

Exactly.

SPEAKER_18 1:47:28

Now it's a it's a different, it's a yeah, it's a different look. I I see where they're trying to make that look like that, but uh I I'm not gonna say it's the same. I'm not gonna say it's the same. And um Floyd, I mean, I mean, I'm not to say Floyd is Floyd, right? Floyd is a different type of fighter, you know what I mean? Uh Jeron Ennis, he likes to he likes to get into the fire, right? I mean, if we were talking about pretty boy Floyd when he was taking risks and really trying to finish guys, then we could probably make that comparison. But um by the time Canelo got to Floyd at that time, Floyd was just so defensive defensively sound, and that was mostly what his style consisted of counter punching and just making you look stupid in the ring. So um this is a fight that we're gonna get to see guys actually fight, you know. No, not nothing against Floyd. I don't know, but but these guys are gonna fight, right? These guys wanna beat each other. I know, I know Jeron's going in there, he wants to finish him at the face to face, right, Colin? He said, I'm I'm I'm looking for the knock. I'm gonna knock him out.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:28

You said he's levels levels above Xander levels above him, yeah.

SPEAKER_18 1:48:32

And I think that this fight is gonna be the type of fight that everybody, I mean, we're gonna be the winners, right? We're gonna enjoy this fight. I don't see a fight where uh Xander's eyes makes the adjustments to where he's able to avoid a fight. He's gonna have to fight. He's gonna have to fight. Was it M Billy that Xander fought, man? Uh it wasn't M Billy. Who was it that was it and Billy that he fought? This last fight went um. No, it was Barrow.

SPEAKER_15 1:49:00

Bro. Yeah, sorry. Maz Barrow.

SPEAKER_18 1:49:04

So so when when you see when you saw that fight, you saw the adjustments that Xander Zyas was making, you seen him moving around the race.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:11

Yes, yeah, yes, he boxed well.

SPEAKER_18 1:49:14

So, but but Barrow ain't ain't a boots, boots, right? So that's something that I'm thinking about going into this fight. I'm like, okay, I seen you make these adjustments, I seen that you were able to fight in pockets, but this is a whole different animal you're about to face. So what else do you got? You gotta Jeron Ennis, the only way you're gonna gain his respect is if is if you if you hurt him, right? If you catch him with some good shots, if you keep him at bay. So if if Xander wants to win this fight, he's gonna have to earn it, he's gonna have to earn respect, and he's gonna have to hit Ennis with some good shots to kind of get Ennis to go into more def defensive type type of fight. And I don't mean totally defensive because I don't see that happening either, but they be a little more cautious in and come. In with that killer instinct that he always does with the other the other fighters that he's had.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:03

Here's the thing with boots. Boots said uh Xander looks too big, and I think he might gas out as well. I I do you see that? I I Xander looks really big, he looks really big to me.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:14

Damn, I'll all I'll say is watch the episode. My man's talk about that, yeah. Oh, yeah, he answers all of that. He answers all of that. He said he'd go ready.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:27

Boots had a speed advantage as well.

SPEAKER_18 1:50:29

He's fit and ready. That face to face man, Xander's back was looking big, but I was like, what the heck? And then I felt no, no, nothing against Ennis, bro. But I felt like Ennis' chair was Manlow, or he was just looking smaller. And I'm looking at Xander's back, and he's just like, Ennis kept saying that he got a big ass head. He do got a noggin on him. And all respect, he do got a little noggin on him. I was looking at because I compare everything, you know, I'm comparing biceps, shoulders, and I'm looking at them, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Xander's Xander's got the John Travolta thing going. That's really funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:07

Is that an advantage against a booth or a disadvantage?

SPEAKER_18 1:51:10

I mean, I don't know. If you got a John Travolta, maybe you could take a better shot, you know what I'm saying? Maybe if you got a little head, you know, the shots don't you know don't sit as as as well. But uh he definitely looked bigger than that face-to-face man. So you know, and it's talking about the fat camp, yep, you know, and all that, you know, you're in fat camp and all that stuff. I start, you know, I start to kind of take a look at things, and I'm like, okay, but then you look at at the training right now, jump and rope. Xander's, you know, he's he's looking, he's looking like he's gonna make that weight and he's gonna make it healthy.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:41

I saw Boots on IG Live. He was uh he was getting at work, and what was he? I forget what he was wearing the mask and what he was running or boots, boots, boots looked like you haven't really seen much about Boots like uh other than training. But Xander be posting, he be modeling and uh I don't know where he was, like in Paris or something, modeling. You seen that? I did see that, and I'm like, uh you you look at the comparison to the social medias. All Boots has been posting is himself working, working, working, working, and Xander been more of a business perspective. He's out here modeling and dressing up. I I don't know who it was. It might have been with like the kids connected, man. You know, he's connected now.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:18

You don't know when he took those things, you know. It could be now he's just now posting those for you know what I mean. And true dude just been in the gym. So some of that, some of that could and and you know this is the psychology of a fight like this. He may be wanting to just hey, just post, just post all my publicity shit, just post all that, not the gym stuff. I don't want them to even see any anything that we got going on here. When we get in their boots, gonna be like, What the heck? What uh where did this come from? We ain't never seen nothing like this, so yeah, that could be totally strategic.

SPEAKER_18 1:52:49

Yeah, he could have had that photo shoot like months ago. Yeah, months ago, because he was in France, he was in France, he's in France modeling for a mirror. That could have been a long time ago. I don't see him traveling all the way to France to come back over here.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:03

Someone said this fight would show if boots is really it. I feel like it shows both. I told you this shows both.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:10

It's it's a it's a fight where they both can finally answer questions. I mean, at 23, he's the youngest, he's the he was the youngest, basically unified champ in the sport of boxing. And look, there's some who still be like, Yeah, he's a good fighter, but a unified champ. He can answer those questions with a win against Jeron Ennis, a guy who even when the old guard was in their prime, and I'm talking about Thurman, you know, Spence. Uh hey, even even Terrence, nobody was trying to fight Boots then. When when Boots was 23, Xander's age. Wasn't nobody trying to fight fight boots. Now why? That's too uh uh too much risk, low reward, you know. They wasn't trying to fight boots then.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:01

A lot of people were dodging boots in that boots was at uh PBC, he waited a long time.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:07

Yes, he was at the look. I was in this and they were trying to get get guys and guys, oh man, you're gonna give me them, then you're gonna pay me two million dollars. For and that was when we went, and we weren't doing pay-per-views as much, it was like just championship boxing at that point, and you know, guys were like, nah, you're gonna have to pay me pay-per-view money, pay me, you know, two, three million dollars. That you want me to fight boots, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:30

I think I think boots signing with Eddie was probably the best decision he's ever made, respectfully, yeah, respect to all the other promoters out there, but I think it's the best decision he's ever made.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:41

Keep gotta get you gotta get him active, number one. Yeah, you know, and and you know, Eddie did the right thing, especially early on. Yo, his last few fights, put him in Philly. You know, you're gonna sell out, put put money in his pocket. You know, it's the fighting business, man. Sometimes we forget that. It's a business, and put him in Philly, let him sell out that arena, and you know, put him in with whomever you can get in front of him because not a lot of people ain't gonna take that fight. Hey, go to Philly, first fight boots, then number two, go to Philly and fight boots.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_18 1:55:15

You know what I you know what, you know what?

SPEAKER_06 1:55:16

Because you know you got Gilly sitting ringside Gillian Wallow.

SPEAKER_18 1:55:19

Walling my boys, you know, you got Gillian Wallow there, too. Oh my bro, they're on Ennis all the way. Hey, they all fake stand up, man. Don't get Gilly started, bro. He'll start arguing with you in the park anywhere. You know what? We we may have to do a live with Gilly, man, and get him on the boy. We gotta get his take, man. Especially with this fight coming up. This is this is gonna be a Philly show out there, man. Yes, you know what clinged into my mind though, fellas, just kind of going back to the to MVP and what went down this weekend for women's boxing. Hey, Carolyn Dubois, man, trying to tap in with Ronnie Shields, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:59

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:00

Carolyn Dubois, I think she's she's the one, man. She's a dog. I was late to this party, and I I know that I would I've been trying for the longest. Uh talking with Queensbury and those guys over there, trying to get Daniel Dubois on and do an episode with him. I didn't know that they their relationship is fractured. Really? I didn't know that. I didn't know that's relationship. Caroline and and Daniel and Daniel man the brothers team. Yes, I didn't know that. They were like, I was talking with somebody, and I was trying to get Daniel Dubois on there, and they were like, especially when he just had that victory over uh who's that? Um Wardly, Wardley, yeah, Flavio Wardly. And and one of the things that came back to me, we're like, okay, what kind of questions I yeah, just about the fight, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. You know, and I was in me again, uh his sister who's a great champion, blah blah blah. And then and the the email I got back from Winsbury, people are like, Yeah, we we he's not gonna answer questions about his sister, and I was like, Why?

SPEAKER_18 1:57:01

That sucks, man. They're a fighting family, yeah. You know, because you know, you look at Fedora and his sister, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:57:07

And oh, yeah, they're biggest thieves on the on the hip. Thick as thieves, they're there, yeah, man.

unknown 1:57:13

They're on the hip, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:14

And yeah, that could be a great duo with them with them.

SPEAKER_18 1:57:17

Sometimes it happens though, man. Siblings get you know into some spats and whatnot.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:21

Hey, we're talking about it with the Charlos. It's they're supposed to be that way, and it's when they were bro, because when the Charlotte uh Dramal was in the comments of the Jamel video that we posted. Yes, like yo, my twins tweaking or whatever. Like when he was talking about the arrow fight that he thinks arrow is gonna lose, he's like, my twins wilding.

SPEAKER_06 1:57:42

Yeah, and Maul got in it when we when we had Mel on last week.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:47

Yeah, when he was all love, twin, you know. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:50

It was like that, it was like that passive aggressive, yeah. That passive aggressive stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:57

Because it's it's always they beef and they back together, they beef, they back together. Yes, but yeah, I don't I don't know. That's that's an unfortunate.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:06

And the crazy thing is, I don't know if it's them or their ladies that they that they despise. You know, all of that's intertwined, BC.

SPEAKER_18 1:58:15

You know, all that shit is intertwined, man. Don't blame it all on the bros. I'm telling you, there's always some bullshit.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:22

Wait, Mel, he he spelled out word for word what Maul has said about his lady. Remember, he got on the emphasis, yeah, and he said, My lady was a blah blah blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:38

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:39

I was like, I didn't even remember that out of everything.

SPEAKER_18 1:58:43

He was waiting to get that off.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:45

He was waiting to get that off his chest there, man. Yeah, that didn't even have anything to do with the conversation, but he had to bring that up, he had to make sure that was in the conversation, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:57

And and still, I'm I I am I'm I'm somewhat disappointed that my man Mel still they've not made a fight for him, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:06

And there's there's so much, it seems like there's no movement on it either. Like it doesn't even seem like it's even close to being in the equation.

SPEAKER_06 1:59:14

I know, and you know, obviously he's gonna be watching the zoo. Uh and it and here's the here's the really interesting thing, I think, from uh like a PBC level is you know, like Fundora gonna be watching Spence Zoo very closely. If Arrow wins, trust me, you're gonna hear Fundora like, yo, I would love to fight. Let's get it on. But if if Tim Zoo wins, they're gonna be like, bruh, did that, been there, done that. And Tim Zoo would probably say the same thing, like, yeah, I didn't tackle that monster twice. I'm done.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:53

I'm good, son.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:54

The way that second fight went, I don't think I'd ever want to be in the same room.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:01

I'm good, but if Tim Zoo wins that that fight uh against Arrow, you I'm sure he would be like, Okay, where's Charlo? Let's get it on. Let's get it on.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:11

It's a big Texas fight right there. Let's get it on. That's a big fight. Where's Charlo? Arrow seemed a little passive on it when they asked him about it in person. He was like, he just wants clout. He just wants my he just wants to use my name as I don't know, clout pretty much. But yeah, I I do think it's a bigger fight. If if Arrow wins, I feel like he'll understand. Yeah, this is uh it's a money fight. It would make hello, it would make bags. Oh my gosh. If they did that at uh Arlington where the Cowboys play, yeah, Jerry's where oh my god, that'd be a spectacle.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:44

Even the the build up to it. It's personal, it's it would be it would be personal. So many stories, man. You got former training partners, used to have the same trainer, they used to spar each other. How did those spar each other? Oh my gosh, that would be really, really interesting. Uh and heck, I I would even like to see uh Tim Zoo in Jermal Jamil Charlotte. Yeah, they were supposed to remember, yes, yeah, Tim Tazoo, as he said Tim Tazoo, Tim Tazoo.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:19

He did say Tim Tazoo. I love me some male, man. I love Mel. Mel shoot from the hip, bro. He just let it go, he lets it fly.

SPEAKER_06 2:01:30

There'd be no filter, there'd be no filter, and and you know what? When we had zoo on, he even said that. Remember, Alex, he said, he said, look, I would love to fight Charlo because, in my opinion, Charlo never lost them belts in the ring, they took him from him, you know, because he had been away. So he was like, Why not? Why not? We were supposed to fight a long time ago. Let's get it. I'd love to fight. I'd I'd like to see Tim Zoo and uh and Jamel Charlotte it's another fight I think you you could make, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:05

What would you rather see Jamel Charlo vers Tim Zoo or Jamel Charloter and Fedora?

SPEAKER_06 2:02:11

Oh wow, you know what's the thing with that though? Yeah, yeah. If he's victorious if Tim is victorious, you're saying if Tim is victorious again, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If he's victorious against Arrow. Uh wow.

SPEAKER_18 2:02:24

Um I I would think from a just you know what you're gonna say. You say don't nobody want to fight tall man.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:37

I I would be scared for him to fight Fundora.

SPEAKER_06 2:02:41

Yeah, but uh because I like Tim did the the fight with Tim Zoo would be action-packed. Both both would be action packed. That's true, that's true. Because yeah, you're right. You're but I all I could see all I could see is at least you're gonna have back and forth against Tim Zoo and Mel. They because they both gonna talk their stuff, yeah. You know, you know, Sebastian is gonna be like he's just gonna be like, I'm here to win.

SPEAKER_18 2:03:06

Silent more so, bro. Is it like I'll be honest with you? Like, guys, come on, man. Like, who's gonna get past this guy? This guy's just he's that reach that height. I like I don't see. I've been trying to matchmake in my head for the longest. Like, who can actually and even boots, right? Boots who who who who says that he can get past you know all that. Like, I don't I still don't believe it. Yeah, I don't know who's gonna be able to get beat this guy, man.

SPEAKER_06 2:03:35

He's really that. If he fights smart, he fights smart. That's a tough out, bro. He fights what he's supposed to fight, and using all of those god-given attributes that he's gotten. I I don't know how you beat him, man. Especially with that reach, as long as he is, he keeps you there. It was an 80-inch wingspan or whatever it is. Amen.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:55

All you gotta do is touch that chin. Find a way to touch that chin. But you know what? When when man's name that the the touch uh that touched his chin and knocked him down, like bro, uh Mendoza, Brian Mendoza.

SPEAKER_18 2:04:08

He's he's past that though.

SPEAKER_06 2:04:10

That was like that was he was just less he was he was always trying to fight on the inside, yeah. He didn't like that inside the inside stuff. Oh, yeah, I like getting on the inside, and bro, we don't need to.

SPEAKER_18 2:04:20

It was a careless, it was a careless mistake that cost him. He he got caught. He didn't he got caught. I don't see him making that type of mistake, so like getting past that that fucking broomstick arm, like that that slender man, bro.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:35

Slender Man, bro.

SPEAKER_18 2:04:37

It is I it's it's impossible.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:39

It's the dude from the X-Men where he can like retract his arm. Oh, yeah, you got the long arms, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_18 2:04:44

It's it's such an unfair uh advantage, man. That that it's and combined with now his you know his sense of uh you know fighting now, where you don't you don't have to be on the inside, but he likes to be on the inside, right? So it's like he has the discipline now to stay on the outside if he's gonna fight a guy like say like like Jeron or or or Zaya's guys that are more skilled, but if he gets you on the inside too, he has these giant advantages. Like guys, when you're sparring guys that are shorter than you, I'm telling you, like you see so many openings, man, when you're towering over guys, even to hit the body, but when a guy's shelling up like this, right? And as you can see, if I turn to the side, your body's still open, right? Yeah, but when the guys are measured, you know, fairly, right? It's a little harder to step to the side and hit the body, right? But when you're that tall, bro, you can literally just go boom, boom, and it's like you just got these unfair advantages, man, that that that play for for for the win, man. That it's it's it's hard. It's hard when you're fighting a guy that big, bro. It really is. I think Fondura right now, man. Um I don't know how Xander's do you guys maybe I'm out of the I'm out of the weight division, but Xander Xander's 154, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:00

Matter of fact, now you remember again. I don't want to give it away, folks. Y'all got y'all got first of all, uh, hopefully everybody's watching. You subscribe to The Last Hand, uh, support the show. You know, I think we have we have the Cash App, we got the Venmo up there. Yo, we want to keep giving you great content. So any donations that you can to support the show so we can continue to produce and do it, we greatly appreciate that. Uh, we are still looking for a big time sponsor to come in and so we can take the show to a whole new level. So we certainly want that as well. Now, Xander Zayas, the episode will drop next week. And if you one of the things we talked about was Fundora, and I liked his his answer about fight about fighting Fundora, and he even brought it to my attention. He said, You failed to realize I was his mandatory. I was trying to get a fight with Fundora, and they said no to me, and went to Tim Zoo. So he was like, I've been wanting that fight for a long time. And I said, damn, you know what? You are right. At that time, PBC wanted to keep it in the family because Zia was obviously was over at top rank, and then and they didn't want they didn't want to do that, and that's when they say, Okay, go we we'll get we'll put uh Tim Zoo and Sebastian Fundor together.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:34

So we usually someone said, has anyone seen Brandon Lee? I'm pretty sure he's with Zufa now. I think he just signed with Zufa.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:42

He's getting ready to fight too. I think he has a he has a date uh lined up. And I man, we we had Brandon Lee, man, over at Showtime uh in the infancy stages. In fact, I give my man um Gordon uh Gordon Hall, who was the man who came up with Showbox. He was the brains behind Show Box, found Brandon Lee. That's what Brandon Lee came up on on Showbox. He found him and was like, yo, this kid is really special. Um, but he has he he is he has a he has a Zoofah date uh that I saw um coming up. So yes, Brent Brandon Lee will be fighting here uh very soon this summer. Yes. Keep the questions coming, folks. Keep the questions coming. I got answers.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:37

There you go. There you go, yes.

SPEAKER_06 2:08:40

Yeah, he's he's got he's got a date coming up every now every now and then because or friends on on IG, he's he he he sends me a little something, and I'll send him a little something every now and then just to stay in touch. Yeah, did you see the Richardson Hitchen post yesterday? Yo, Rich I yeah, bro, we gotta get Rich back, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:02

Rich be talking his stuff, man. Bro, he was glazing Secor yesterday. And did you see Tank was in the comments? Like, what do you say? You call Rich the biggest dick rider, bro. Yo, Tank don't miss a thing, bro. Tank don't miss a thing.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:21

Whether it's uh Adrian Broner live or the Adrian Broner party.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:28

Unbelievable. Why is he why was he at that party? Is my question. Why was it why was Tank at that party?

SPEAKER_18 2:09:34

We got uh we got some questions, man. I think that uh we're gonna be at on Deluxe says last stand, would you ever if so, we can call in. You know what? We're gonna start we're gonna start putting that out there uh um for the show. I know right now we could put up a link right now, and um uh that's a video coming on to the show, but uh we're gonna actually go ahead and see if we can get a method to getting you guys to call in. I know there's various ways to do it. Um I think we're gonna start adding that to the show once we're gonna be cool. Once we're finished up, yeah. We we we we do definitely appreciate you guys uh comments and and and take. Some of you guys are really good boxing analysts in your own right, so yeah, man. Uh Deluxe, we're definitely gonna look into uh adding that to the show and uh letting you guys call in, especially towards towards the end of the show, so you guys could say, you know, just state your claim.

SPEAKER_06 2:10:28

Yeah. And uh did we have a guy, we had a guy did he get a click on the link and and joined the show that one time? Is that what happened?

SPEAKER_18 2:10:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We could actually do, you know. Well, what I was wondering right now, actually, I was gonna ask Colin if you wanted to, because I know the uh um you can probably call through uh through uh X, if I'm not mistaken. I yeah, I don't know if we can actually do it. Uh is Colin still there?

SPEAKER_06 2:10:52

Colin, what you why you take your turn your camera?

SPEAKER_03 2:10:54

My camera, my camera went off, yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_06 2:10:57

You did your old Ronnie Shields type show. See, I don't know why. It just like glitched me out.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:02

Like my screen went block, but I could I can see y'all.

SPEAKER_06 2:11:05

Okay, it's like Ronnie Shields all over again. Ronnie Shields. I'm gonna dep off and come back. It's a it's a Ronnie Shields all over again. What you got going on over there, Colin?

SPEAKER_18 2:11:17

What are you doing, champ?

SPEAKER_04 2:11:19

Don't what are you doing? I don't I know I don't want please, please. I don't want it all on X.

SPEAKER_18 2:11:31

I know I know I know Colin. Colin Colin probably just got I don't I really I really want to narrow down what what exactly happened too with the it was weird with Ronnie. It was really weird, man.

SPEAKER_06 2:11:42

It was really weird the picture just went out, but he sounded great. Everything else was good, it was just the picture went went.

SPEAKER_18 2:11:49

Yeah, I think if you would have went back in, we would have got him. Yeah, um, sometimes it has to do with uh see uh Colin, you're on your iPad too, right? Yeah, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:12:00

iPad thing maybe yeah it's the iPad thing so it my it was weird my screen just went black but and then I like flash back on and I could I could see and hear y'all but and it showed it shows my picture on my screen oh wow yeah that was that's straight Ronnie Shield because he said the same thing he said what do you mean my picture's out that was he's like I see myself and I'm like nah we don't see you we don't see you gang we don't see you gang I mean you know what I sound like Adrian don't we don't see you gang he's wait he he be saying cu like i don't know why he bro i need to watch that video again bro let me know that i'm gonna bring it up again i'm gonna bring up there right now they're out there right now with dean the green dean the green hey adrian said he was gonna come on the last stand too man so so a b come on bro wait hold on it it is that a bow tie on him yes he didn't like that noise he threw it up he threw up in his drink cut it out a v oh my god yo he threw up twice and then the girls in the back like oh my god i and i was yo he said he said man we had we had played we had played we played we had we spent some uh dms back and back and forth about him coming on this was last week right yeah and he said he was gonna do it man and i know that one time alex he had us waiting like yo come on man where is he at uh but i i got i got so many questions for this guy because first of all i want to know how him how him and dean the great became friends they show us that ab got shoulders like stephen hawking bro i can't you know y'all are wrong y'all are wild y'all wilding y'all wild last stand y'all long y'all wildin' for real stephen hawking bro yo he said why is he in a bow tie i know i know i know oh my that nigga throwing a but he he making mad money off of that stream and stuff right didn't he give him like 20k in a week or something like that yeah he's making yeah he he's making bread he's making bread he a full time streamer now yes yes and he's talking about a boxing comeback oh did you see that oh i think he was teaching dean how to do the poll counter yeah and he looked quick he looked quick bro the guy was a four division world champion what did drake say yo he all fat now what he got on his boy because it's quick where is where is that where is that talking about Drake where Drake was talking to his boy because uh Adrian Broner yelled at his boy look at Drake unbelievable I think I'm gonna put the link up there to see if anybody wants to come on and uh maybe speak on some of the stuff that we talked about I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about why you let him talk bro why you do something man what you want me to do bro don't fuck his ass up he father exactly bro I'm not finna just run down on bro like that bro he obviously dealing with something because I Drake said F his ass up because he fat his ass up he's fat yo unbelievable on the chat they lucky AB ain't no violent drunk because he would what you AB ain't no violent drunk you say you dropped the link on the chat yeah I just dropped the link on the chat Toledo if you want to come on I know that's one of my people's too man uh okay if you want to come on and state your peace I dropped the link on today's topics if you want to talk about some of the things that are happening in the in in the in boxing right now with some of the topics in the sport or maybe some future fights that are coming up I know some big fights are coming up too uh I'm looking forward to that Vargas and Bam fight it's gonna be a little bit later it's a little before the Zias fight oh bam I love me some bam Roberts yeah man shout out to Manny Chance too man out here from uh uh from Orange East Orange in uh in Newark got uh uh Manny Chance shout out to Roger Chance Roger Chance was actually uh uh for a really short time but but very uh good time he was coaching me man when I was in my amateur stuff really yeah he uh he actually I started with him man when I first wanted uh to start boxing um I always credit him for giving me my feet you know he he always uh made sure that I paid attention to movement on my feet so Manny Chance went out there he went out there with Shakur and uh he got some work with Bam and uh amazing work man getting that with a with a champ like Bam so shout out to Manny Chance and uh Toledo I dropped the link so if you want to stop by go ahead and stop by champ yo and Morel again yeah lazy I don't know what we're doing with Morel man Morel took a real bad one he was low key winning that fight barely but he was winning that fight all he had to do was survive yeah he caught that one bad no yeah but he got rocked earlier too listen he got rocked twice listen to what you said you just said he was winning that fight all he had to do was survive bro he again he fought a journey man yeah but he didn't fight him well but he was still winning in my opinion now I I I would maybe maybe suffice to say because that was such a war that he had with David Benavidez maybe maybe that just took you know sometimes some of them fights may just take a lot out of you um maybe that part you you that part you you you you take that and what Ronnie said where he said he's lazy and doesn't work hard man that's that's not a good recipe he was one of the biggest stars young stars and boxes come back and and here's here's why I give David a lot of props because he fought Morrell what was that a couple years ago through the year when when wasn't nobody trying to fight David Morel yeah yeah he was and they and you know people were like oh they they should let that fight simmer did they was like all right fight you want to bring him on let's go looks like we got toledo trice clicked on the link let's give my man his three minute round real quick let's go y'all what up chip what up though man i just i just had to come in man i couldn't let y'all do that to my ohio brethren man oh i like it i like it ohio stand up come on man we in toledo ohio shout out to robert easter man former robert easter my guy yeah man so no but with the boxing man it's uh i like that y'all had runny shield shout out to runny shields man that was that was i had to send a couple dollars you know support the channel appreciate you thank you bro i like that andre katseraz because that's my guy i really i'm happy i'm happy that he spoke as highly as he did about that i was excited to hear that i'm happy earl getting work with him you feel me yeah yep but uh for the record earl should stay away from fondora we we don't we don't we don't we don't need to see that i agree we don't i agree we don't need to see that i agree why you say that to lead though man uh nah nah nah we don't need to see because fondora he i i think fondora is beautiful i'm not gonna lie i know y'all seen it in the chat i was talking about jramante clark another ohio brethren since tonight gave him a good scrap but yeah yeah man we yeah man yeah nah nah earl we got it one one step at a time one step at a time i hear you i hear you if arrow were to win who do you want to see him fight oh 154 yeah i would i i won the charlo fight but i don't know if we'll get that i know charlo is talking about they got 160 i don't know what i don't know what jramail is doing if jramail yeah fighting i want him i want that fight that's the fight i would like to see that's the fight that's the fight i i think i i think i think ej would come around to it now i mean i think he wants to get he wants to get the the the zoo fight out of the way in and and see what how he looks you know and how he feels but i think if he comes out let's say he he looks spectacular uh against tim zoo i think you you'll probably see change his tune a little bit more about mel because he he in ej's the way from what i know about ej he's gonna look at it like okay they're gonna offer me some good money here to fight this fight and i do remember even though it was sparring ooh i feel like in my mind i was tagging that ass and sparring so let's get it let's get it and let's do it for real yeah pause pause pause i got a question for y'all though real quick yes with uh i i'm a dev a haney fan i'm not gonna lie i'm a devil haney guy i'm a haniac as the kid yeah i'm a handiac do the devil haney do the devon haney do the devil haney i gotta he with devo uh yeah man i gotta say though so dev and haney was calling out xander zayez man if boots win this fight is my man's obligated to call out boots because i'm in that camp man i feel like if boots win the fight i want you to have the same energy that we have for xander man i'm one of them guys what you think about that yeah i don't i let me tell you something if boots wins it and if especially if he wins it in spectacular fight you ain't gonna be hear nobody calling boots out you ain't gonna be hearing nobody calling boots out man i'm telling you man that kid is he's strong he's athletic and he you know he's what 28 i keeps calling me a kid but he's 28 so he in his grown man strength now and the way he works yeah i i don't if i i don't think you would hear you would hear yeah i don't even think if i'm not mistaken alex what boots wasn't on the the bill haney hit list remember he gave us the top 10 boots on there but boots wasn't on there i think they meant you know he meant he had mentioned them though trice you know and uh it's oh it's it's trees by the way too it's treat oh yeah i'll people wait a read but yeah it's tree nah tree he had mentioned him uh in the past but so what are you saying if boots wins should devon haney call out boots or or does he have yeah that's what i'm saying because i'm like i i'm hearing devon he talking that 154 action 147 looking a little slow i mean i wouldn't mind devon haney and earl spence that's what he said bill said that bill said that he said yo he's a king we respect we're gonna watch that fight and if he wins absolutely we would love to see i'll tell you this man uh uh you know there's very few fighters that that run to the fire yeah and i don't think devin haney's running to the fire and i'm not saying that devin haney's scared or any of that stuff but he's not running to the fire i think i think yeah i think it's the opposite devin haney always about the smoke nah but but he but you gotta understand like when devin haney's running to the fire tell me which ones he's ran to Brian Norman who was the one of the hottest names that but but if you know boxing right I'm not saying you don't but um but if you know boxing strategically he knew where he could catch Brian he was catching Brian at the right time I mean he ran to the Ryan fight up here yeah what happened happened what happened happened we should what happened happened I get to take that fight that was where we should I get it but who's who's more who's more seasoned who's more seasoned a boots or Brian when when Devin took on Brian I mean who had better momentum though yeah I feel definitely let's not let's not give him all this sauce for the Jensaki knockout bro come on he knocked out a guy that was smaller than him i'm a I'm a believer in momentum man I'm a believer in confidence man a confidence ain't nothing more dangerous than a confident fire yeah Brian Norman was confidence is one thing bro I can have all the confidence in the world bro but it it you what I'm trying to make a comparison is that catching Brian Norman at the time he did it was a perfect it was a perfect look too because he had knocked he got the knockout of the year and all that but are you running to this type of fire I'm not talking about an alarm one fire we're talking about a four alarm fire are you running towards that make make me make me a believer and do it but I don't think he's running towards that fire well I think you got to give Bill Bill Haney a lot of credit because obviously Bill's the one who's who puts those those fights together and if you you if you listen to the episode when we we talked with Brian Norman he said it was twofold he said he went into that fight too angry because of the fight buildup and he said you know it was it was my first time on the big big stage and it was a little bit different but now it's past me i i'm ready you know i i know i i know i could all that other stuff doesn't mean anything before but he said when i went in there even remember i think what was it was it the way in where they were walking down that red carpet and bills and the team had their pushing and shoving with his dad and all that kind of crazy he said even that messed him like yo what they doing and you know so he said I read into way too much that's the bell treats we're gonna let in deluxe in too thanks for cooking with us champion y'all be cool man Fan thanks for coming I like it I like it I like what we got but we got my buckeyes in here yeah deluxe if you want to come in go ahead and click on the link brother and uh we'll uh put you right into the studio man yeah look I mean we're both guys about the smoke look I feel like Devin's one of the biggest about the smoke in boxing I I get it I get I get it I'm not saying that he ain't about the smoke what I'm saying is that it's different from running into a one alarm fire to a four alarm fire but it's about who's in front of you it's about alarm fire you got flames coming at Boots even was boots even a realistic fight in that situation I don't think so was Brian Norman yes was Ryan Garcia yes majority people wouldn't have took more majority people wouldn't have took the Ryan fight after he came in even when he how many pounds did he come over what three pounds he wasn't even close he wasn't even close to being on on the weight limit so majority people be like yeah I can find this guy so I feel like let's see what let's see what deluxe got to say I'm gonna throw the link up there again deluxe and uh again we're talking results right from uh the stuff we've been talking about but we are swerving into some other topics right Devin Haney uh I mean look I love the way Devin Haney's filled in too you know what I'm saying he's gotten a lot bigger he's he's he's he's filled into that D bow role physically so uh maybe the confidence is different you know maybe he will run into that fire but I mean could Jeron's been the most avoided guy bro I mean tell me another guy that's been more avoided than Jeron Ennis Benavidez that's true Benavides is cats cat's a bit they ain't trying to they ain't trying to fight him this b bo fight should be a layup it's not right now yeah it's not because they they running they running from the they said we're gonna take care of monster we we're gonna take our care of our mandatories yeah how about better better be if too better be if was another one that's been uh uh yeah definitely definitely that's true well you know because they they fought what they fought twice him and bivol so yeah yeah it's it and then he's been injured so there's one one right all right looks like we got my man deluxe on here let's bring him on let's go champ hey off bug and I'm on the same podcast as Brian Custer what the crazy what's up champ what up champions do matron activated with let's go champ do do do do do what's going on what's going on upper brother I'm not familiar with you know what's up though that's Colin Custer that's my son man oh that's your son all right peace man yeah but damn hold on let me get my dogs got all the bro flip your phone sideways the likes flip it sideways so we can get to that landscape put your shirt on the lights don't put you gonna come on the video yellow yellow I gotta hit him with the sound button yo it's feeling good out here because that's all bro okay bro all right yo but um so our first topic right let's let's just run a dude suit for batteries in the compass for the compass for it like I mean that is the biggest herb that in the wild like that you got me there about that turn your volume up deluxe huh turn your volume up so we can hear you better turn it up turn it up hold on that that's pretty funny though that's a good that's a good line brother that's a good line yeah that I I give him I give him I give him props for that it always goes back to that too man that that that shit's that shit always gonna be there that is the nail in the coffin for a lot of people about Devin Haney was because of the suing can you hear me better now brought better what what else you got to close out close out all those like I said out here I'm on the patio I mean but so yeah but on and also like I be hearing brothers like B cuss interviewing brothers and they be using the end bro all the time like how can somebody be like with B cuss is straight professional like also like using curse words and all that like this is my first time ever hearing you cuss B cuss you know what I mean that's that's that's that's that's real professional I just want to tell you that I hope to meet you one day in person absolutely absolutely where what city you in right now I'm in Maryland right now.

SPEAKER_14 2:31:08

Okay okay it's it's nice out here I'm in Howard County okay nice so but I'm I don't know how long it's a long story but I don't know if I'm gonna you know I'm gonna be coming to fights and everything I'm I'm dealing with a situation right now. All right hey listen you know everything is good though because I just want you to know I ain't no drug dealer no thug or nothing like that. So you know but yeah bro like what I'm saying um I'm gonna be coming to fights and everything but um as far as you know my guys I'm connected with Upton Boxing Gym I'm originally from Baltimore okay so I grew up between Baltimore and New York City I left it I was discovered as an artist in New York City by Grandmaster Cat or whatever.

SPEAKER_18 2:31:55

So do me familiar with my work and I like to submit it to you one day because because all right I think I got a track for you that'll make the perfect interest song I told you Deluxe man hit me up and drop it bro man yo you you you gotta I hit you up for the email email me bro man I hit you with the email too man I'm gonna hit you again I'm gonna hit you again do me deluxe recordings number seven at gmail.com fam right number seven zero seven or just seven just seven at gmail.com all right deluxe recordings recordings is plural I'm gonna send it to you because I'm really interested man you know we're we're constantly evolving here at the last stand and uh yeah and you you know the track that I'm talking about like I I think I do I just need to hear it again and I need your autograph too yo so like let's go chant so like yeah but um and you know Haney is all right Haney became undisputed undisputed by beating let me ask y'all this question is George Cambosos a memorable fighter well at one point he was he was yeah at one point he was because of that that victory and he at that point he was the king you know he's saying I'm saying because I'm saying like this right if if if we we talking boxing five ten years from now nobody's gonna bring up George Cambosos right right and Devin Haney had the easiest world like they said we use undisputed like Devin Haney ain't no memorable fighter neither I don't know about that he beat Loma is Loma a memorable now you said what happened is Loma a memorable fighter yeah I mean at 130 Lomachenko at 130 he Lomachenko too small for the division all right the Lux hey Alex we're gonna let we're gonna let Clay cook now man we appreciate you stopping by all right dude don't forget send me that email man appreciate y'all man i can yes sir thank you because i you know i need your autograph too champ let's go champ hey hey hey uh you know what we we we gotta send him we gotta send him some merch man we have to send him some merch

SPEAKER_06 2:34:00

Man, that that that's a good dude. When you talk to him, Alex, get his get his information, man. We'll send him to you. Rang the bell two times.

SPEAKER_18 2:34:06

No, absolutely, absolutely, man. We'll get the Lux going, man. He's a real boxing fan, too. I like him. I like it.

SPEAKER_06 2:34:13

Put your shirt on now. Come on now.

SPEAKER_18 2:34:15

You know what I'm saying? You on the patio with the undies on the patio.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:23

He's on the patio wild, man.

SPEAKER_18 2:34:24

Let's get my man Clay back on here. I'm on or on here. Should I say, man? Clay, man. Welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_02 2:34:30

What up? Hey, I want some merch too. I want some merch too, man.

unknown 2:34:37

Damn.

SPEAKER_02 2:34:37

Nothing too.

SPEAKER_18 2:34:39

Clay does this, man. Clay, Clay does this, man. He's in the podcast. I like it. I like it.

SPEAKER_02 2:34:43

Yes, yes, yes, I am. Yes, I am. Salute to the panel. Salute to Brian Custom, man. You don't mess around. Open his damn panel up. I had to hit the link. Let's go. I had to hit the link, bro. We crazy. Hey, the Devin Haney, uh I don't want to say it's the Devin Haney hate, right? I don't want to say it's a Devin Haney hate, right? Some people might say that, but I'm gonna say the disrespect to Devin Haney sometimes it gets it gets a little diabolical, you know, when people want to just dismiss everything he does because you know, without a doubt, boxing is about strategy, right? You know, moving if there's outside the ring politics and inside the ring politics, and people like Devin Haney and Bill Haney, who have carried themselves with that independent energy, they've had to move uh move things around to get where they need to be. Because no matter what anybody wants to believe, Devin Haney, you know, he's gonna be favored in most fights that he's in. You might not like the way he does it, but he's a winner, he knows how to win. You know, so anyway, salutes to Devin Haney. I don't want to make this all about Devin Haney. What I came up here to talk about, guys, I came to talk about David Benavidez. Come on, I came to talk about Gio Pataya.

SPEAKER_17 2:35:54

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:35:55

I came to talk about WBC, okay. I came to talk about the politics of boxing and why people like David Benavidez are stuck in a situation right now to where he has to consider fighting McKellen? Noel McKellen? Yeah with Gio Patai right there in the cruiserweight division, yeah, looking for all the smoke. What what what are we doing right now? And and and and Brian, you've been around the game a long time. I'm not familiar with with the rest of you guys. Like I've been I'm familiar with you guys on the show, but with Brian. We were mandating unifications, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:36:35

That that's listen, we we we talked about this at the very beginning. I said that when we were talking about bivol, and I I agree, absolutely. He looked he was good, been 15 months off back surgery, all of that. I like it. I was disappointed that they said Eddie and those guys said after the fight, listen, he's got mandatories, he's got at least two more mandatories he's got to fight here. So, and then we're like, I'm sorry, David Benavedes is a champion, he's a champion. You can you can go to the the WBA and doesn't say I'm sorry, excuse me. He's a champion in the division. We like an exception here, Mr. Mandatory. Wait your turn here, and we want this unification fight. And generally you get it. So don't give me that he's got mandatories. I'm just talking about bivolitis one, and we we'll talk about David Benavides later. That's bullcorn. I I can't roll with that. J Alpataya, I feel bad only because over when he was now he had a lot of promotional issues. So now he gets with Zufa because he says, okay, I can finally get somebody that can get me active and I can get fights, but now you you gotta play by their rules, and they want it, they want it in their bubble. They want him to get fights in their bubble. They ain't trying to work with anybody else outside of that. And and I to me, that's the only thing that frustrates me about the sport. I like what DeZone has done, where they have now just said, hey, we we getting top rank, we getting match room, we getting everybody. We trying to get everybody in now, all y'all under one umbrella, fight. Go ahead. Let's get these fights going.

SPEAKER_02 2:38:17

Brian, we gotta we gotta be a little bit more honest about the Zufa situation at this point, right? I I I think six months ago, six months ago, we could have been in the in the dark about what Zufa was gonna do based on what Dana White said, right? Without a doubt, he drew a line in his hand when he spoke. But uh the movement of Zufa, to me at this point makes it clear that these fights are possible, they can be made. Turkey Alashik is there, the ring, the ring magazine card is there, Riyadh season is there, the money is there, all right. I mean, literally, we're talking about we're in the midst of a negotiation, supposedly, between Connor Band and Ryan Garcia right now for a WBC title. Gio Pataya was in negotiations with Noel McKellen for a WBC title. Okay, Devin Haney supposedly is in the in, you know, the rumor is in the spaces that he may be in negotiations with Zoofa boxing, including Shakur Stevenson, both of them champions. Um we can't let these guys get away with this whole entire Zoofa Island thing. It's over for the Zoofa Island.

SPEAKER_18 2:39:23

It's over the new season. The money's there. Dana White said it himself. If it it what are you gonna do? Lose out on money, you're not gonna negotiate. The m the money's there, and fighters want to make money. These guys that are the the that are making the fights, the promoters, there is no island anymore. You're gonna have to make the fights happen.

SPEAKER_03 2:39:42

Not only for the Connor Ben go over the ring, and they had him do the uh what car was that when he was fighting Regis? That was not under the yeah, that was Zuba, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:39:53

Kareem McMandoff. And we and look at Jamal. Um, um Jamal, uh, what's my guy's name? Jamal, uh the the cruiserweight who um Jamal's oh goodness gracious, green. No, Jamal. What is my guy's name? Oh my god, he was just on this past card that just passed right now. Um, he's a zoo for fighter, he's fought on Zoo one time. Yeah, he's been fighting on all these on these ring magazine and and and Riyadh cards, so yeah, no, we can't do that no more. Man, we gotta be a little bit more honest about what we're looking at here right now. You know, there's I mean, obviously, there's a war going on with the sanctioning bodies in Zoo. That's clear. I get it, but the fights can be made, um, without a doubt, they can be made, and they're going to be made.

SPEAKER_18 2:40:37

Um, you're talking about Jamal James. Is it is it Jamal? Uh aka Shango.

SPEAKER_06 2:40:43

No, no, no, no. He's too light.

SPEAKER_02 2:40:45

He he's too light.

SPEAKER_06 2:40:46

Jamal James, Jamal James is like he's like one.

SPEAKER_02 2:40:48

I'm gonna tell you exactly who it is right now, man. I'm gonna tell you, I want to know who that is. I ain't seen uh I'm gonna tell you right now. I won't say yeah, Jamal James had 146.

SPEAKER_18 2:40:59

Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say he he he's too light.

SPEAKER_02 2:41:01

This is I'm gonna tell you, I'm right on it right now, event.

SPEAKER_18 2:41:05

Because David Benavides, man, you know, David Benavides, too. A lot of guys again, like I was saying before, people are not running towards that four alarm fire. Nobody wants to fight David, you know what I mean? Or they or they're or they're putting him, you know, on the back burner. Let me get some more fights.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:20

This guy is not the guy that you run, you run to so it's the uh well to run run to is I guess Jamal Tally Tally Jamal Tally, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 2:41:32

And I'm seeing him trying to get an interview with him too. Uh others did a great job right there, but Jamal Tally, um, you know, a Zufa fighter, straight up Zufa fighter, and he's fought on more uh traditional cards than Zufa cards. That's not the truth, man. And Turkey Alashik already put it out there, he's interested in putting the fight together. I mean, I think timing is everything. I think there's a lot of politics uh, you know, around these fights being made, but we need to get past the politics, especially for David Benavidez. It's time, he needs his signature fight. He couldn't get Canelo Alvarez at 168. He's having a hard time getting Demetri Bible at one uh 175. Here he is, a unified champion in a cruiserweight division, number one ring magazine, the number one cruiserweight in the world is Jobatai. That's the fight that needs to be made for David Benavidez. That's his opportunity to cement his legacy and really put himself in the top three on the pound for pound list. You know what I mean? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:24

That's the move, absolutely, and it's crazy because David is willing to cross over different platforms, so it should be a lot easier to make just because of how open David is to work with other promoters and work with other networks. So I I think it's it's it's a shame, it's a shame that David has to scramble for a fight right now, and he's the hottest name in boxing.

SPEAKER_06 2:42:44

Keep in mind, keep in mind, y'all know this, it's the fighting business, and so even Opa Tia, they they'll and they'll probably say this too. Even though David would say, Hey, look, I'll fight him or whatever. Promoter-wise, they'll be like, Man, Oprah ain't got the name recognition, and they ain't gonna give you the money that we want. We we're gonna do that, you yes, they are Brian.

SPEAKER_02 2:43:05

They're gonna give the money, it's Turkey, they're gonna give the money. We can't afford to give David the money he needs over there where he's at right now. They can't, man. He wants to do it.

SPEAKER_18 2:43:17

That's what Turkey wants right now. David Usi. That's what they want.

SPEAKER_06 2:43:21

And yes, David Ustik, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 2:43:24

That's exactly what he wants, and that's the best way to get ready for Usik. Fight job. That's the cruiserweight division. Do not fight Noel, man. Don't do this. Yeah, I don't even know. Don't do that. I mean, do it, do what you gotta do because I happen to know some things too. Shout out to Sean Zattel. I've seen his little scoop, shout out to I get that part too. There's contracts and things that are being filed, so we'll see everything come together. But the WBC needs to do better as well. How are we rolling William Zapeta back into another WBC title coming off of a lost WBC title? Yeah, with an interim Hidee Herrera sitting there holding a title diabolical. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Lamar, bro. He got a lot of people. Boxing just needs to, we gotta speak on it for real because the fights ain't getting made and and they and it's they're bamboozling us with these fights. Shout out to Ryan Garcia, the current WBC champion. I respect you, champ. I can't wait to see you do your thing, but we don't know, no, sir, you lost against Rolly. Come on, brother. It is what it is, but just wrap it right for us. We just want to see you do the right thing, so fight your heart out in the ring. We can't, I ain't gonna cry with spill milk, but uh, but Mauricio, do better, brother.

SPEAKER_18 2:44:31

Big shout out to Clay for stopping by. Clay, thank you again for stopping by. I love your team.

SPEAKER_02 2:44:36

Hey, good to meet you, Doc. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_06 2:44:38

Yes, sir. Hope to talk to you guys some more, man. I appreciate you guys coming on. Thank you for your time. Yeah, hey, and by the way, Roley needs a fight, man. We need to get Role in the back in the ring. That Devin Haney Role fight was so close. We we supposed to have that May 30th. That was supposed to be May 30th. It was supposed to be May 30th. First, it was at Barclays, and then it was gonna be in Vegas.

SPEAKER_03 2:44:57

Unbelievable, yeah. That I I I've I've heard from both sides, like, oh, it's Roley's fault or it's Devin's fault. But I don't I don't know how that fight doesn't get made, even when well Devin's supposed to go to PBC, right?

SPEAKER_18 2:45:09

I think yeah, that's we got we got we got Ryan from the Six coming on right now. I think this is probably right. Matter of fact, let's bring Ryan on right now.

SPEAKER_13 2:45:19

What up?

SPEAKER_18 2:45:19

What's up, champ?

SPEAKER_13 2:45:20

What's going on, fellas? Let's go up north, up north. We in the building. What up, man?

SPEAKER_06 2:45:25

Yo, Ryan, I don't know if you know this, but I'm a national treasure in the six.

SPEAKER_13 2:45:29

Hey, hey, Custard, and you know it's that time, man. Summertime's a beautiful time in Toronto.

SPEAKER_04 2:45:37

Let's go, Rap. Let's go, James.

SPEAKER_13 2:45:39

Yes, sir. We out here, man. But uh, yo, to the panel, salute. Thank you guys for bringing me up here, one man. Y'all doing a great thing today. And um, I just want to know, man, why is Oshaki Foster so underrated? This dude checks off so many boxes, and now we're talking about moving up five pounds to fight, arguably one of the best fighters in the world, and um, we just looking out here, we're not giving him enough respect, man. I think Oshaki, you know, he's doing something that we asked the court to do move up and fight the best. He's gonna do it. We gotta put some more respect on Shaq's name. What do you guys think about that?

SPEAKER_18 2:46:11

Well, what would you rate his performance against uh Ray Ray?

SPEAKER_13 2:46:14

Man, I thought everything Ray Ray was trying to do, he did better. He just turned up on him, man. He just showed he put his foot down, especially after the seventh round. He pretty much took off to the fight, he took the fight away from Ford. It was like he took him to a certain spot. He said, Yeah, man, you too small, you you too little, man. Let me walk him down.

SPEAKER_06 2:46:33

He walked him down. Yo, I I was so I I liked how Oshaki fought off the front foot. And after you talk about, especially uh, I will say after that seventh round, it was Oshaki coming forward, yeah going forward on that fight. I'm like, yo, I'm the bully up, I'm the bully up in this joint. Yeah, I I love it. And I wasn't that what I just said as we as we started off. When we started the show off uh a couple hours ago, we were talking about the fight, and I I talked about what I liked about the fight, and I said, I'm trying to trying to understand why y'all underestimate my man Oshoque Foster. This dude can fight, he's got a great story, and absolutely, he took some some L's early on, but he even he will tell you I wasn't dedicated in his story to be in prison facing 20 years and all that type of stuff, and then see Terrence Crawford fight saying, Man, if I ever get out of here, I swear to goodness, I'm gonna change my life and I'm gonna take boxing seriously. And did just that. And look where he is now. He is, I would love for I know he wants Shakur. It's a big money fight. If he can get it, that would be something. But hell, fight Emmanuel Navarate, you're right there on top rank. It's a unification fight, you'll get some big money, fight that fight and be unified, and then maybe you get your core after that.

SPEAKER_03 2:47:57

But I want to see him against Lamont.

SPEAKER_18 2:48:01

Yeah, that was another one that's being talked about. Yeah, Orion. So, what do you so you you you what do you what are you what do we what are the odds? What do you think in him going up against Shakur? Uh Jafford Jab. Some of the you know, Shockey has a great jab. So does Shakur Stevenson, right? They're known for their jabs. Jafford Jab. Who you got on this?

SPEAKER_13 2:48:20

Man, honestly, I I got Shakur edging it, but I think Shocky can do something in that way. He can show us levels, man. I think he can push Shakur. Like, you just don't be talking like that for no reason. They obviously got history, they know something. Um, you know, I know sparring is sparring, you know, like AI would say, we talking about practice, right? Shaq got confidence, like he got energy for Shakur. And I don't think that's fake. I don't think he's being fake with it.

SPEAKER_18 2:48:42

I think what you think about Shakur saying that he stopped him, that he made him quit after four rounds.

SPEAKER_13 2:48:47

Yeah, man. We you know, we heard we hear a lot of things in box, man. We hear four fields stopped everybody. He the king of sparring, right? So, like, I don't know, man. I only people that are saying he stopped him was Shakur's people. So I'm like, man, I don't know about that. Like, if a dude got this much energy for you and the way Shakur, Shakur praises Shak oh Shocky Foster too. I heard him say he was like the second best fighter or something like that. So heard him on the last stand on the last stand. Right, yeah, right here. He told us what's up. So, like, come on, man. Shakur know what it is. Yeah, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:49:23

The one thing about shock is he always gonna talk his shit too. So he ain't gonna back down from nobody. I feel like that fight, I don't know if it's as realistic just because of the fact that Shakur has so much leverage, but I don't know. I I don't know. I I feel like I think shock should go and fight Neverette, and then we could talk about that fight. Absolutely, right? I feel like he fights Neverette, he beats Neverete, and then move up. Yeah, and then move up and then move on up. Go go attack the big the big boss.

SPEAKER_13 2:49:53

Because disputed, man. And I appreciate it, man.

SPEAKER_18 2:49:56

Any takes on the MVP uh bouts before you before you uh exit, champ. Any any any takes on the MVP bouts this uh this weekend?

SPEAKER_13 2:50:04

Hey man, ladies, what do you think of that? Lady shout out to Amanda Serrano for tying uh Christy Martin's knockout record, that was awesome. Um shout out to Caroline Dubois for stepping on um business there in the press conference. I like the way she did that. You know, she wants to fight, so she showed up to go get it. You know, we'll see what happens and materializes. Um, man, you know what? Honestly, I'm gonna shout out Melinda Wattpool. My dad trains her. We need another crack yesterday's dance green or somebody. We need a crack MVP. You gotta get a call, man. One of the best in the country here. Maybe Mary Spencer, maybe Tam. I know that's Canada on Canada. We don't really want that, but we need a fight, man. We need a fight. So MVP, shout out, yo. But uh, yeah, man, I thought it was a good weekend of fights, you know. Bivill, I know a lot of people were disappointed in his performance, but man, bival, that's a back surgery, you know.

SPEAKER_03 2:50:53

Yeah, 15 months off.

SPEAKER_13 2:50:55

That's yeah, that's let's give my man some grace, man. Yeah, and uh, yeah, I thought it was a good match from card, too. Like a lot of young guys on the card, man. Shout out to Eddie Hearn for bringing a fight to Houston. It's been a while. I can't remember the last time I watched a fight card in Houston. So, yeah, man, boxing's in a beautiful place, man. We we need to embrace it and just love what's what's going on right now, man. Sure, too much negativity talk, you know. Shout out to my guy Clay came up talking to boxing politics, but you guys know what it is, man. It's been around forever, man. We can't act like this ain't the wild, wild west now. Yeah, yeah. Hey, it it's a business, it's a business.

SPEAKER_18 2:51:30

We appreciate you coming by, Ryan. Hey, thanks for stopping by the yo, shout out the six, baby.

SPEAKER_06 2:51:34

Ryan already. Always remember, yes, right. I'm a national treasure in this six. The brothers the brothers up there, they back me, they back me forever.

SPEAKER_13 2:51:44

Yeah, forever. You already said salute, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:51:50

Shout out Toronto, shout out the raptors, shout out the blue jays. That was my that's my squad. Let's go. Let's go chat. Blue Jays are back. I'm about Canada up in the house.

SPEAKER_18 2:52:02

Yeah, I seen VC's eyes light up when I said the six.

SPEAKER_04 2:52:05

I'm like, Draco here. What you think?

SPEAKER_18 2:52:12

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:52:13

We love it.

SPEAKER_05 2:52:15

I even beat. I am repping the rappers.

SPEAKER_03 2:52:18

Always repping the rappers, always repping the J's. Look at you. That's good.

SPEAKER_06 2:52:22

Yo, this was this was another great three hours, man. I mean, absolutely. They fly by. They do fly by, man. It was great having the people. We go, we gotta do this again. We like we said, we going to start, we're gonna have to start doing them more often. Um like having the cats come on, come on, man, give it a little speed.

SPEAKER_18 2:52:40

Yeah, absolutely. We're gonna we're gonna actually uh we're gonna we're gonna go ahead for the next live show. We're gonna have the the call in hooked up, all right? We're gonna have a number on the ticker banner at the bottom, and uh we're gonna start taking in call, guys. Shout out to everybody, man. Clay, Tres, yeah, my man Brian, super chat, my man deluxe on the patio and shit. Letting it all breathe.

SPEAKER_03 2:53:06

Hey yours is something, bro.

SPEAKER_18 2:53:09

I got the email deluxe, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:53:10

Um, I see Uncle Ray Ray in the chat.

SPEAKER_18 2:53:13

Uncle Ray Ray, yeah, Uncle Ray Ray at man. You'll uncle Ray Ray get his merch, man. Yeah, okay. Uncle Ray got his merch. Yeah, I know he he I seen a chat.

SPEAKER_06 2:53:23

I made sure I made sure they packed extra for you, Uncle Ray Ray. We wasn't just giving you hoodies, we giving you shirt and hoodies.

SPEAKER_03 2:53:30

Hey, our members, we we hook up the members, yeah. The YouTube members, yeah, YouTube members. There he is, there he is.

SPEAKER_18 2:53:40

Fellas, let's go, chant.

SPEAKER_07 2:53:42

Yes, absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_18 2:53:47

I don't think there's any other uh undisputed member. I think for now we don't ray is the he's he's wearing the crown and the crown alone. But uh to everybody, man, that doesn't know, we do have memberships here on the last stand, so make sure you go check out the different membership tiers. Nothing complicated. Uh got three tiers on there, and uh of course we're always doing special stuff for the uh for the members and uh we'll continue to uh you know you know add some different perks. I know that we got some things in the works. I know my man BC is definitely uh always uh sending out merch to a couple of the members. So uh appreciate everybody that taps in with us.

SPEAKER_03 2:54:24

And uh if you're a YouTube member, DM the last end on Instagram and we will send merch.

SPEAKER_18 2:54:30

Yeah, man, make sure you follow us on all the platforms, right? Let them know, let them know where they can follow us.

SPEAKER_03 2:54:35

We on Instagram, we on TikTok, we on Twitter. Um on X, it's Last Dam Pod, and on Instagram, it's the last damn podcast, same as the uh YouTube. So got it. Um yeah, we're active on the we're active on the socials. Um we post every week uh short form content if you don't want to watch the full thing, but we recommend doing both. Yeah, support us on uh socials.

SPEAKER_06 2:55:00

All right, good, good, good, uncle Ray. He's got the shirt and the hoodie. I appreciate you, Uncle Ray. You made sure we took care of you. Gotta hook him up. Yeah, head to hook him up. There we go. I had to hook him up, had to hook him up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yo, you need your taxes done. Make sure you hit up Alex too at True Tax Corps. Get them taxes done. Yo, we don't want you the IRS, don't play, bro.

SPEAKER_18 2:55:23

Listen, don't don't let don't fight the IRS alone. Let the champ handle it for you. Let the champ handle it for you, man.

SPEAKER_06 2:55:32

Shout out to true tax core too, man. Hey, they do my taxes. So, yo, we spit we spitting facts up here. They do my taxes, so absolutely. Uh, again, you can always hit us up on Cash App. Uh, it's at last stand Vimmo, it's at last stand sports. Um, and and support the show.

SPEAKER_18 2:55:51

I'll I'll put it I'll put up the Cash App right now before we go, just in case anybody wants to go ahead and donate to the program. Remember, guys, we do this for you guys. This is what we do. My man BC always bringing on the best, the latest and greatest guests on here, man. So I hope you do guys appreciate it. And listen, you can support us a bunch of you.

SPEAKER_03 2:56:09

Ryan from the six, Ryan from the Six. I appreciate y'all fellas. Absolutely, Mr. MT23. Peace out, Alex, big custard, and mini custard. I like it. Mini custom. I'm calling to him.

SPEAKER_04 2:56:21

I'm calling to him. Hi, Minnie.

unknown 2:56:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_18 2:56:25

Oh, the new or the new elected name, right? Iceman.

SPEAKER_03 2:56:29

Ice collin. Yeah, we can.

SPEAKER_04 2:56:31

Iceman Kylie down to the ice. We still got the cup. We got the ice. Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_06 2:56:39

Uh yeah, and shout out, thank you, Ronnie Shields, man, for your time. Oh, of course. Uh the legendary Ronnie. As he said, he said Errol Spencer is starting sparring today. And so he said, I can give you a good 30 minutes. He gave us an hour. Yeah. He gave us an hour today. So thank you, Ronnie Shields. Jims. How about that? Yeah. Gave us some good stuff.

SPEAKER_03 2:57:01

So if y'all missed it, y'all can go back. It was it was good. Watch this.

SPEAKER_06 2:57:05

So watch this again, y'all. Make sure you support the podcast, man. And uh, Colin, appreciate you. Alex, love you, appreciate you, man. And we appreciate all y'all. Absolutely. Thanks for watching The Last Dance. Xander Zayez. The new episode will drop next Monday. Lock in on that. Don't miss it. It's good. June, June 8th. Yes. 9 a.m. Yeah, 9 a.m. Xander Zayez. Xander Zayez. And if y'all know somebody who says, hey, they they want a sponsor, send them over to the last stand. We always love good sponsors. We always willing to work. Absolutely. Thank you for watching, everybody. We'll see you next week.

SPEAKER_18 2:57:45

Let's go, channel.